“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from my statutes and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of hosts. But you say, ‘How shall we return?’ Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you. 10 Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. 11 I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the Lord of hosts. 12 Then all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a land of delight, says the Lord of hosts.

(Malachi 3:6-12)

The Old Testament

The scripture above is the favorite text given by most Christians to ‘prove’ that we should tithe. Now when interpreting scripture, we should always look things such as the context. Who was it written to? What was the culture? Because even though all scripture is FOR us, not all scripture is TO us. So if we look at the scripture above, who was Malachi writing to? Was it to everyone? Well we only have to go to verse 6 to see the it was the children of Jacob. In other words, Jews. It was not a blanket command to everyone.

The first mention of tithing was in Genesis 14:20 where Abraham ‘gave tithes of all’ to Melchizedek. but notice how Abraham did this freely and it was not a commandment from God. Then in Genesis 28:22, Jacob decided to give a tenth, again not a commandment from God. Then the next mention of tithing is in the mosaic law in Leviticus 27.

Now exactly what was the tithe? Well according to the Levitical law, the children of Israel (apart from the tribe of Levi) had to give 10% of the increase of their land and livestock, to the Levite priests and this would also go to help the poor. As a matter of fact, they would have actually tithed around 23.3% annually because they were required to present two tithes yearly of 10% each of agricultural produce and livestock (Numbers 18:21-32 and Deuteronomy 14:23-27) , and a third of 10% every three years of agricultural produce only (Deuteronomy 14:28-29) ….but I don’t see many churches or Christians rushing to tithe 23.3%!!!

All the scriptures about tithing are either in the old testament or refer to the old testament laws and was mainly about agriculture. Hence why it talks about the storehouse (NOT your church) which was simply a room in the temple. (See 2 Chron 31:11, Neh 10:38-39; 12:44; 13:12). And the opening of ‘the windows heaven’ simply meant that God would let it rain abundantly on the crops and he would not allow the devourer (i.e locusts) to destroy those crops. That is it. Nothing super spiritual about it. All you have to do is look at the context and read it for yourself.

So what happens when you take Malachi 3 out of context? You get video ‘challenges’ such as the one below

Malachi 3 DOES NOT mean that if we give a tenth of our income, God is guaranteed to rain down monetary or any other blessings on us as some teach. Some even teach that nothing will ‘devour’ your finances as if tithing was some sort of insurance policy.

I did a previous post called ‘What do we do with those old testament laws today which you can view here where I broke down the various laws in the old testament. Tithing would come under civil law and is not binding on us today.

The New Testamant

So what about the new testament? Is tithing mentioned? Well we can see Jesus apparently endorsing tithes in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42……or did he?

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. (Matthew 23:23)

These scriptures are the ones that people use as proof text that Jesus commanded that we tithe today, but while Jesus was alive he was still operating under the old testament laws and the new testament had not fully been ratified. How do we know this? I would say for two reasons.

Firstly, when Jesus healed people, one of the first things he told them was to show themselves to the priests (Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14, Luke 17:14). This was part of the levitical law (Leviticus 14:2) and we do not have to do this today.

Secondly, Hebrews 9:15-17 makes it clear that a new testament can only come in place after the death of the testator.

15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

The other references to tithing are in Hebrews 7 which just reference the old testament stating historical fact so again, they are not a commandment to us.

So what is the new testament pattern for giving?

2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9 give us the principles for giving today.

So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity (which tithers do); for God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Cor 9:7)

In a sense, it is harder to give from the heart as God sees the motives for why you are giving.

Many people are living in bondage to tithing, giving out of what they don’t have and as a result, get into real debt.

Here is an example of the type of advice that you should NOT listen to

So basically Pat Robinson has told this writer to keep tithing at the risk of losing their home and being unable to pay their bills. This is very bad advice and if your church or Pastor gives you the same advice, do not adhere to it.

I think the bible says something different.

11 but now you also must complete the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to desire it, so there also may be a completion out of what you have. 12 For if there is first a willing mind, it is accepted according to what one has, and not according to what he does not have.
13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14 but by an equality , that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality. (2 Cor 8:11-14)

If you are in serious debt e.g. arrears in loans, then you should be doing what you can to pay back that money to the loan company and then when you can, then give . This is called good stewardship and should not be seen as ‘not putting God first”. If you don’t have, you can’t give and should not be made to feel guilty for ‘not paying your tithes’. As the scripture above says, there should be equality, but that it not what we see these days. A lot of churches are getting fatter financially and their members are suffering as a result.

For those of you in debt and are still tithing. Please watch this video and do not live in bondage to tithing. There is so much freedom in Christ.

So in conclusion, there is no where in scripture that expects or commands New Testament believers to tithe

BUT DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. CHECK OUT THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF

Related Posts:

The traditions of men making the Word of God of none effect – Introduction

The traditions of men making the Word of God of none effect (Part 1) : Pleading the blood

The traditions of men making the Word of God of none effect (Part 3) : Getting a confirmation from God

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  1. Alan you may a comment that they never used money. They didn’t have money in those days.

    • Alan Higgins says:

      Point taken. I will remove that bit

    • glasseyedave says:

      Actually, they did have money. If the Hebrew was to far away from Jerusalem they were to sell their tithe, take the money to Jerusalem and by back what they sold. But the agricultural tithe they bought back was to be eaten in front of the Lord.

      Deu 14:22-26 KJV Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. (23) And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. (24) And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: (25) Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: (26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

      So to complicate the conversation even more… who takes their tithe to church and eats it before the Lord?

      glasseyedave
      thegospelaccordingtothegospel.com

    • dewayne says:

      Do You realize That if you are wrong you have put blood on your hands and a curse on people who do not pay there tides you should think fast and pray before you give this bold of a statement about what God said not to do. I pay tides and God blesses me above measure If you cant pay tides you love money more than God and you are a Robber and a Thief we know you cant get in to heaven stealing please pray and be careful with what you teach God Bless!!!

      • Alan Higgins says:

        You obviously did not read my post. I would recommend that you do this first before commenting

      • glasseyedave says:

        Dewayn,

        I am always impressed how Jesus in His defense of the truth was able to has, “have you never read” or “it is written”.

        Dewayn, you come on hear accusing someone, I know not who, of being as guilty of blood as a murderer. You accuse, I know not who, someone of being a curse to the people of God for their teaching.

        Do you think you are right because you fasted and prayed about tithing? Do you think if we fasted and prayed about this, like you suggest, we will be persuaded like you. Even the Pharisees fasted and prayed but they were far from the truth found in the Law of Moses and the prophets.

        I submit that reading God’s Word is the key to the truth of what God wants, not fasting and praying.

        I too have read the word of God. I am glasseyedave. Find where I have not been able to say like our Savior, Have you never read or it is written.

        I always marvel at NT believers who want to go back to the Law, who would not even be able to participate in the promises given to Abraham, by which we receive the Holy Spirit, if it were not for our Lord replacing the old covenant of commandments and ordinances, by nailing it to the cross, with the new covenant based upon the Spirit and the power of the endless life.

        Do you even understand the faith? Do you even understand what is written?

        glasseyedave
        thegospelaccordingtothegospel.com

  2. Jacqui says:

    God bless you Alan, I agree with everything that you have stated. We need to cling to the word of God and not the thoughts and desires of mem.

  3. Tarre Stanley says:

    @ ChristinCorey, if you would recall there was in fact money in those days, in the form of denaris. Also, for the temple offerings, gold, silver and other fine costly things were commanded for them to bring.
    Bro Higgins,,,in the title of the post you said the traditions of God making the word of God of none effect. Should n`t it be the traditions of men making the word of God of none effect?
    Lastly, I agree with this post on tithing

  4. TEN Reasons WHY I TITHE

    While visiting in a neighborhood near our church, I met a man who responded to my introduction by saying, “Oh, you are the preacher who makes everyone pay ten percent to the church.”
    “No, you are not talking about me,” I replied. “There is no way that I can make people pay ten percent of their wages to the church if they do not wish. I do not have that authority. The people who pay ten percent, or a tithe, of their income do so because they want to.”

    Why do people tithe to the church? The reasons are many. As I considered my own motivation, I discovered at least ten reasons why I give ten percent of my income to the church. A study of these reasons will help us to understand the great blessing of tithing and the biblical responsibility to tithe.

    To Honor the Creator.

    “Render… unto God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21).

    Acquisitiveness is one of the basic drives of mankind. Children grasp their toys and cry, “Mine!” Someone has noted three attitudes in the parable of the good Samaritan. The priest and the Levite had the attitude, “What’s mine is mine and I’m going to keep it!” The thieves had the attitude “What’s yours is mine, and I’m going to get it!” The Samaritan had the attitude, ‘What’s mine is yours, and you can have it.” There is another attitude that should permeate our thinking, even above the commendable attitude of the Samaritan. That is, “Everything we have belongs to God, and we are stewards of His goods'”

    God owns the entire world and its substance. “The earth is the LORD”S, and the fulness thereof” (Psalm 24:1). “Behold, all souls are mine” (Ezekiel 18:4). “The silver is mine, and the gold is mine” (Haggai2:8). It is God who gives people the power to obtain wealth (Psalm 75:6-7; Ecclesiastes 5:19). We are not to glory in what God has given us, but to glory in Him (Jeremiah 9:23-24).

    Why should I be grudge God ten percent when everything actually belongs to Him? If it were not for Him, there would be no land, no seed, no strength, no income, and no life. How generous He is to tell us, “”he tithe… is the LORD’S”! (Leviticus 27:30).

    To Acknowledge My Heritage.

    “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

    Abraham was the first tithe payer of record(Genesis 14:20). Abraham’s grandson, Jacob, paid tithes (Genesis 28:22). Scripture says that Levi, Abraham’s descendant and the father of the tribe from which the priesthood came, paid tithes in Abraham (Hebrews 7:9). My heritage of paying a tithe precedes the law of Moses. As a child of Abraham and an heir of the promise of Abraham. I acknowledge my family relationship by paying tithes.

    Jesus said to the Jews, “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham” (John 8:39). It would be strange to claim to be a child of Abraham and yet to neglect one of Abraham’s most fundamental and noteworthy acts. I pay my tithes as a spiritual descendant of Abraham, the father of the faithful.

    To Fulfill the Covenant.

    “For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious” (II Corinthians 3:11).

    In every comparison of the law of Moses and the new covenant that came by Jesus Christ, the new covenant stands supreme. The characteristic word in the Book of Hebrews is better, and everything is better about the new covenant. If the law demanded tithes, then how much more should we who are under the “perfect law of liberty” give our tithes willingly. (See James 1:25). If the law is written in the fleshly tables of our hearts and we follow God’s commands not from outward rules but because of our new nature, then how quickly and how easily we should give the tenth that belongs to the Lord” (See II Corinthians 3:3-6).

    Some people say, “Oh, we do not pay tithes, because tithing was under the law.” If that is a sufficient reason for not paying tithes, then we could also mistreat our parents, for the law said, Honour thy father and thy mother” (Exodus 20:12). In actuality, we honor our father and mother and we give our tithes because the principles of the law are written in our hearts by the Spirit of God. We give willingly and liberally because the Spirit motivates us to give what God has said is His.

    To Show My Love.

    “Many waters cannot quench love” (Song of Solomon 8:7).

    Love is the strongest motivation in the world. I have seen bumper stickers that say, “If you love Jesus, honk you horn!” Anyone can honk his horn. But David said, “Neither will I offer…unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing” (II Samuel 24:24). Someone should print a sticker that says, “If you love Jesus, pay your tithes!”

    For someone who genuinely loves the Lord, the tithe is only the beginning of his giving. He gives not only his tithe, but also offerings (plural), not grudgingly and not of necessity, but cheerfully with love.

    To Fulfill an Obligation.
    “Ye pay tithe…:these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone” (Matthew 23:23). Jesus did not criticize the Pharisees for paying tithes. He commended them. He said it was something they “ought” to have done. The word ought expresses an obligation or duty. It is one of the strongest words in the English language. To pay tithes is something every Christian ought to do.

    The word ought has three meanings: (a) obligation or duty; as in, “He ought to pay his debts”, (b) desirability; as in, “You ought to eat more slowly”, (c) expectancy or probability; as in, “I ought to be through by Monday.” Each one of these meanings puts an obligation upon the Christian. It is desirable for him to pay his tithes, he is expected to pay his tithes, and he has a duty to pay his tithes.

    To Escape Condemnation.

    “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me… in tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8).

    How sad it is that people who are honest in business and who pay their debts to the bank, the store, and the government will not pay God what belongs to Him! Sometimes people quibble about whether they are “paying” or “giving” tithes, but both terms seem appropriate. The tithe is the Lord’s and He expects us to pay it to Him; at the same time, He does not receive it until we give it to Him. He does not give us the authority to use His tithes for other purposes, but we have the power to spend it as long as it is in our hands. Nevertheless, a person is condemned if he spends God’s money.

    To Spread the Gospel.

    “So hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel” (I Corinthians 9:14).

    God has ordained for people to be saved by the preaching of the gospel (I Corinthians 1:21). “How shall they hear without a preacher?” (Romans 10:14).

    Tithing is God’s way of supporting the ministry. In the Old Testament, the Levites and the priest were God’s minister to the nation of Israel, and they were supported by tithes. In the New Testament, God has called people to minister the gospel. These ministers can be more effective if they do not have to provide for their livelihood by working on a secular job but can devote themselves full time to the work of God. They need time to give themselves to prayer and to the ministry of the Word.

    It is not wrong for a man to labor with his hands, nor should a minister feel too good to engage in honest labor. Yet God’s plan is for those who preach the gospel to live of the gospel. When God inspired Moses to write that the people should not put a muzzle on the box that labored, God was not as concerned with the ox as He was with the principle that a laborer should receive his livelihood from his work. The application of this principle is that the minister of the gospel should earn his living from his ministry. (See I Corinthians 9:9-14).

    Some ministers have endured financial hardships and deprivation in order to proclaim the gospel in needy areas. If the tithing income insures that the minister can live in a good house, drive a good car, and buy sufficient clothes for his family, why should I begrudge providing these things to a man who would preach the gospel even if he had to work on a secular job to do it? It is a disgrace to a church if the pastor has to take a secular job to supply his family’s needs when there should be sufficient tithing income available to allow him to do God’s work on a full-time basis. My tithing ca help to spread the gospel.

    To Avoid a Curse.

    “Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me” (Malachi 3:9).

    Someone has said, “You can’t outgive God, and you can’t outsqueeze Him either.”

    Some people put their money into “a big with holes” (Haggai 1:6). They do not give God His tithe, bit they eventually spend the money for automobile repairs, medical bills, and a thousand other things that they might have avoided if they had been faithful to God in their giving.

    God said that the whole nation of Israel was cursed because they had not given God His due. God asked Israel to dedicate the gold of Jericho to Him, but Achan took a wedge of gold and hid it in a tent. It became a curse to him and his whole family.

    I do not want God to curse my blessings. I want to give Him His tithe.

    To Enjoy God’s Blessing.

    “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse… and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it ” (Malachi 3:10). (See also Luke 6:38).

    God blesses the people who pay tithes. They do not always have the most money or the best clothes, but they are blessed.

    However, I am wary of those who promise, “If you give God a dollar, He will give you back four.” The expectation of a return should not be our motivation for giving. And His richest blessings are not necessarily monetary.

    But I do want God to notice me and remember me. He noticed that the window put money into the treasury at the Temple. He noticed what Cornelius was giving. He noticed what Israel was not giving. He knows what we give and He notices when we give.

    God has asked us to prove Him and see if He will not give us His blessings. I have trusted Him, tested Him, and tried Him, and I have concluded that it is better to give God what belongs to Him.

    To Be Consistent.

    “Be thou an example of the believers” (I Timothy 4:12).

    For most of my ministry. I have lived on tithing income. How could I receive tithes and not pay tithes? I could not do so and be consistent. The Levites, who received tithes, also paid tithes on what they received (Nehemiah 10:38). Preachers who receive tithes should be most faithful to pay them.

    Paying tithes will not save a person-everyone must be born again to be saved. But paying tithes will reap a blessing. Genuine Christian not only pay tithes, but they willingly pay tithes.

    If you would like someone to help you learn more about the Bible, or if you would like to be baptized and get involved in a Bible-believing church in your area, please contact your nearest Pentecostal Church or e-mail Rev. Homer Looper (SilsbeeFPC.org) for help in finding one.

  5. Where in scripture did Jesus rebuke someone for paying tithes ?

    • ldfitzgerald says:

      @ CHRISTinCorey: Where is scripture did Jesus rebuke someone for doing water baptism? Jesus didn’t pay tithes but he also didn’t baptize anyone with water either…

  6. Alan, are you saying that tithing is a tradition of man ?

  7. Alan Higgins says:

    Corey your post above quotes the same Malachi that I have explained about and is not for us today. I am NOT saying that a person should not tithe if they want to. They can give more or less if THEY choose to do so. What I AM saying is tithing is not an obligation for us today. So the ‘tradition of men’ is the fact that some Christians make it out as if it is a commandment for new testament believers and it clearly isnt. It was not meant for us. Some people would rebuke believers if they choose NOT to pay their tithes and make them feel guilty for example that they are under a curse (as you have stated above) and so they give under fear.

  8. So really what your saying is, we are not under the Law !!

    • Alan Higgins says:

      Corey, your answer is in the post above about the old testament laws. Please click on the link

  9. Why did Abraham tithe and teacher is children to do so ?

    • ldfitzgerald says:

      @ CHRISTinCOREY: The “Abraham Argument” of many tithing proponents usually goes something like this:

      There are those who say that the New Testament believer is no longer under the Law, that tithing was a matter that was given to Moses and the Jewish people, and that the Christian is no longer required to tithe since believers are under the New Covenant of grace. But God’s Word clearly teaches that even prior to the Law, tithing was a practice he blessed and established for all time. We see that prior to God giving the Law to Moses and the Jewish people, that Abraham, one of the ‘Faith Hall of Famers’ noted in the New Testament book of Hebrews, tithed. Therefore, since Abraham tithed, and since he tithed prior to the establishment of the Law, and since he has been memorialized in the ‘Faith Hall of Fame,’ God has given us an example in Abraham that tithing is required of believers today.

      Examining this often persuasive argument shows that it doesn’t hold up under the scrutiny of proper biblical interpretation.

      A Customary Courtesy
      Narratives tell a story or convey historical facts; their applications are limited.

      In this account, Abraham demonstrated gratitude and customary courtesy to Melchizedek when he tithed to him. It was a custom that was exercised by numerous neighboring peoples (pagans included) such as the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Arabs, as well as the Greeks and Romans. Tithing was even a practice known to the ancient Chinese. It was a very common cultural practice, and it wasn’t until the Mosaic Law that tithing was given the status of a compulsory contribution in the lives and culture of the Jewish people. [31]

      In addition, Abraham acknowledged God when he tithed to Melchizedek in that he willingly parted with a portion of the booty of which God blessed him. His tithe was “his confession that God was his Lord, the Possessor of heaven and earth, and the Giver of victory.” [32] This willingness on Abraham’s part is significant. Abraham, by his own free will, and in the absence of any request or coercion from Melchizedek, submitted a customary ten-percent, or tithe, of the material blessing provided by God.

      Abraham’s encounter with Melchizedek shows that blessing others, especially perhaps blessing the man of God, is something that should be done. Abraham demonstrated that faithfulness and gratitude to God are things to be exercised. All these things are proper applications drawn from the story. There is, however, something that should not be pulled from this narrative, but it is, nevertheless, often thrust upon the uninformed believer, and unfortunately, upon the heads of new Christians and visiting churchgoers. This, I believe, has a very negative effect upon the uninitiated.

      Not a Teaching Passage
      This brief narrative where Abraham gave “a tenth of everything” to Melchizedek shouldn’t be used to teach tithing. The reason for this is because this portion of Scripture is not a teaching portion of Scripture. [33] Teaching portions of Scripture directly instruct us to do something, e.g., how to pray (Matt. 6:9; Luke 11:2), or that we should put on the armor of God (Eph. 6:11). We simply can’t justify the practice of tithing as a result of Abraham’s experience with Melchizedek any more than we could justify taking concubines or practicing polygamy because Abraham also practiced these things (Gen. 16; 25:6).

      In addition, an approach of many modern teachers is to attempt to disarm those who suggest that tithing was an Old Testament requirement and that Christians are no longer under the Law. These teachers say that since tithing came before the Law, criticism of tithing being an Old Testament requirement and no longer required of believers should be dismissed. However, if their interpretive methods were correct, then one could justify such things as marital infidelity (Gen. 16:4) and deception (Gen. 20:2) using precisely the same methods since Abraham dabbled in these things prior to their prohibition in Exodus 20:14; 16. I think it’s disingenuous that some modern teachers selectively cite their texts and either ignore or attempt to avoid the obvious criticisms that naturally follow their methods.

      Abraham’s encounter with Melchizedek teaches many things, as noted, even some principles of genuine Christian stewardship; however, tithing, which is different from stewardship, isn’t one of them.

  10. Alan Higgins says:

    Corey, where does it say that Abraham taught his children to tithe. It says that he gave Melchisidek a tenth of all BUT even if he did, it still does not mean that we are commanded to do so. 2 Cor chapters 8 and 9 give us clear principles for giving.

  11. michael m says:

    I think Corey may think that not being a strict tither may mean a christian doesn’t give. But if tithing makes you miserable or legalistic perhaps it would be better not to tithe -as God loves a cheerful giver , and Christians are free to give what they have determined to give . They remember what Jesus said , ‘It is better to give than receive’. They know they are blessed without compulsion . So, If Corey wants to tithe , do so without boasting ; and let others give as they inclined to . Some may give more than the tithe; others may give less as the situation is discerned . Trust to peoples intelligence – there is no need to pontificate ?. No, we are not ‘under’ law. But under grace . Eph. But we were formerly Gentiles too , who were never under Moses law anyway . But we are now , Jew or Gentile Christians , new creations in Christ . :) . So cheer up and rejoice .

  12. Tarre Stanley says:

    Brother Alan, can I just rant a little, please. I really want to thank God for liberty.I really do. I Thank God for allowing me to give as I purpose in my heart, not through compulsion of men. I thank God for the Holy Spirit continuing to lead me into all truth and helping me to rightfully divide his word. I thank God for the New testament.I thank God that I am not under the law. I thank God that the law and the prophets were until John. I thank God, who in sundry times spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he speaks to us by his Son.I thank God that I know that tithes never included money, rather livestock and agriculture. I thank God that I know that despite the teachings of men there was money in the form of denaris, gold and silver back then and that he never told them to give a tithe of denaris, gold or silver. I thank God that if I give abundantly , I will reap abundantly. I thank God that I know that the Levitcal priest were told to collect tithes from their brethren/natural Jews, not gentiles. I thank God that Jesus was made a curse for me. I thank God for showing me that Jesus command to the pharisees to tithe in Math 23:23 was consistent with the command to tithe of livestock/or agriculture mentioned in all the other places that tithes are mentioned, and not that of money as some men would have us to believe. People of God, this is why I would implore, beg, plead with you to study the word of God diligently and compare scripture with scripture, otherwise you WILL be deceived. Thank you, bro Alan

  13. I’m sorry Michael, you don’t know me to pass judgement about me like that, hope that’s not how you read scripture. God bless you bro

  14. rmafukidze says:

    I HAVE TITHED MOST OF MY LIFE AND I DO NOT REGRET!!

  15. Alan, correct me if I’m wrong. But it seems to me if its not written it’s almost like it didn’t happen. I use to work for a newspaper and when I went with the reporter, everything he or she wrote did not make it to the final edition.

    When I watch match of the day, everything I watch is not all that happened in the game. Even when you watch a live game, it’s still edited live, you don’t see everything in that game.

    Proverbs 22:6 (NKJV)
    [6] Train up a child in the way he should go,
    And when he is old he will not depart from it.

    Just because the above scripture was written in proverbs, doesn’t mean that did not happen in Genesis.

    It might be published that Cain and Abel gave and offering, but just because you don’t read about it with Adam, it does not mean he did not do it.

    The same for Abraham, we read that he tithed, but what we don’t read that Isaac did, but we do read that Jacob did.

    Again correct me if I’m wrong, but no where in scripture do I read that Jesus had a wash, but I believe he did, because he had integrity.

    Also Alan, you asked where does it command you, so you will only do if your commanded to do. Yet you came into agreement with Tarre who grateful that he is not being commanded.

    Also Tarre, you said that Jesus commanded the Pharisees to tithe. . .

    Matthew 23:23 (NKJV)
    [23] “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

    Jesus DID NOT command a tithe, he acknowledge it. But what he did do was highlight what they left out.

    Also Tarre, what you wrote reminded me of this scripture:

    Luke 18:9-14 (NKJV)
    The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
    [9] Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [10] “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. [11] “The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. [12] ‘I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ [13] “And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ [14] “I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    What did Abraham tithe and why did he tithe ?

    Also scripture says they tithed from their increase, most of my increase is in what I earn. One of the hardest things to part with is money, especially if you can not see what you get in return for it.
    When I give, I don’t unto man, I give unto God. What man chooses to do with God’s money is between him and God, but also what a man sow’s into there future, that he will reap. You only have to look at the mistakes King David made and the effect it had on his children.

    One thing I know for sure, there is no perfect person but Jesus Christ and there is no perfect church. If there is a perfect church, when I get there it won’t be perfect.

    If you believe in the power prayer, shouldn’t this be on someone’s pray list. If you are lead by the spirit, why is He not leading you to pray. Some of you might say, how do you know I’m not praying and you might well be, but it does not make sense to pray pull down your brothers in Christ. Unless you don’t believe they are brother or sisters in Christ and if not, pray for their salvation.

    • Alan Higgins says:

      Corey you are right about Jesus not commanding and even if Jacob gave a tenth it is likely that he MAY have taught them some principle but scripture doesn’t explicitly say that he did so I cannot be dogmatic about it but you are missing the point. I am NOT saying that a person should not give a tenth IF THEY CHOOSE to do so. All I am saying is, under the new covenant, we are are NOT OBLIGATED to do so. It is up to the individual.

    • glasseyedave says:

      CHRISTinCOREY

      If you want to follow Abraham, might I suggest that you go plunder a people who have offended you or your family, better yet, make it three peoples and take everything from them after you do some killing and then tithe from your plunder. This would be a more perfect way of following the example of Abraham my friend.

      Gen 14:14-20 KJV And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. (15) And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus. (16) And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. (17) And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king’s dale. (18) And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (19) And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: (20) And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

      If you want to be like Abraham, I dare you then, be like Abraham. Give a tenth of your plunder.

      This is one reason I do not buy the whole Abraham thing as our NT example.

      glasseyedave
      thegospelaccordingtothegospel.com

  16. Alan, why did Abraham and Jacob tithe and do you tithe ?

    • Alan Higgins says:

      I do not know why they tithed. They did it off their back but I cannot see anywhere where they were commanded to do so. No I do not tithe but I do give. Let’s get to the crux of my post. Do you believe that we as new testament believers are commanded/obligated to tithe or do you believe it is up to us what to give because that is what the post is really addressing and if we are to tithe why do you believe so?

      • ldfitzgerald says:

        c/oJacob’s tithe: Jacob’s Tithe
        Here’s an example of a great Bible character who is never used as an example of what a tither ought to do. Yet, one would think that since many tithing teachers eagerly use Abraham’s story to persuade people to tithe, that Jacob’s tithe would be a helpful example as well. While the account of Jacob’s tithe isn’t utilized by modern teachers for obvious reasons, the account in Gen. 28:20-22 is an instance whereby another Old Testament patriarch also tithed prior to the Law. A short commentary is included about Jacob’s tithe because of its interesting absence from modern tithing sermons. The next time a teacher uses the Abraham Argument, ask a few questions about Jacob’s tithe and whether his example is O.K. to follow. If the teacher believes Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek is a model to follow, then he shouldn’t exclude Jacob’s tithe to God.

        The story suffers from the same or similar criticisms as the Abraham Argument, so, I’ll not repeat the interpretive issues already discussed in an above post I replied to, e.g., narrative vs. didactic passages. Jacob’s tithe is worth noting for one reason: He offered a conditional tithe! The passage reads:

        Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear so that I return safely to my father’s house, then the Lord will be my God and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth”.

        It seems that Jacob’s pre-Law method of tithing loses modern-day appeal because of its conditionality. How often does one hear tithing teachers encouraging people to tithe only when the circumstances of life allow it or the conditions to tithe are satisfactory to the giver? Most readers have probably never been instructed to give a tithe only when conditions were satisfactory to them. In fact, many people have probably been instructed some time in their Christian experience to pay a tithe even before paying the mortgage, buying groceries, or even caring for the needs of a struggling family member. Ask yourself: “If tithing is supposedly a biblically required pre-Law thing to do, and if modern interpretive methods are correct, then why isn’t Jacob’s conditional tithe taught? The answer is obvious. A conditional tithe conflicts with the pressures and coercive tactics often accompanying modern “thou shalt tithe” sermons. Usually the teaching is insistent and absolute, no exceptions–you must tithe according to the rules being taught.

        The narrative of Jacob’s tithe fails to complement modern tithing doctrines. Therefore, it will never be used by contemporary teachers who somehow seem compelled to generate funds through the misrepresentation of God’s Word.

  17. Tarre Stanley says:

    @ ChristinCorey,I have no need to defend myself against your accusations of me bieng like a pharisee. However, if I may, I would like to respond to your questions. For starters, no one knows why Abraham tithed from the spoils of war(note that it was not his money, but that which was plundered doing war). To say that we know why Abraham tithed would be pure speculation at best. Also,Abraham`s tithe was done freely or through his own freewill.I am told that Abraham circumcised before the law. If true, are we to circumcise because Abraham did? I`m told that Jacob promised to tithe of all that he had, if God would bless him first? If so, Jacob`s tithe was conditional.The reason i`m saying’ i`m told’ is because I strive to be an able minister of the new testament not the law/OT.Also, I want to let you know that I do not tithe. Side note:To speak the truth is not pulling your brother or sister down,It is actually what the bible calls love.

  18. Tarre, thanks for your reply, but I never accused you of being a Pharisee. I said what you wrote reminded me of that scripture.

  19. michael m says:

    I agree Corey I may not personally know you , but I know you from your writings . So I commented on that . I did not know I allegedly was judging you ?.
    The advantages of those who wish to tithe may be that they do not need to be reminded that their church or mission needs that support . The disadvantage may be that they feel their tithe is enough and could perhaps not be open to extra calls or spontaneous giving , or feel guilty because of other calls on that money their tithing may be a temporary inconvenience . ?. But very few can beat the woman who despite her poverty , felt moved to give her all ?.
    Responsible giving seems to be the ideal in usual circumstances today ?.

  20. Corey Ross says:

    I don’t think the question really is are we commanded to tithe. Because as I said before, people find it hard to part with their money.

    That’s why most of you are highlighting Abraham did it of his own free will. Your pastor should able to hear from God, but as far as some people are concerned, when it comes to asking for money, they would say “devil is a lier”

    So whatnI want to know from anyone out there, I know you have answered Alan, but why did Abraham and Jacob tithe or what are the benefits of tithing.

    And the same for offering, what do you think the benefits are, look forward to your replies.

    God bless

  21. Tarre Stanley says:

    @Corey,What I would like for you to answer is:what is a tithe according to the bible? Was there money back in those days in the form of gold,silver and denaris? Did God specifically tell the people to bring silver and gold for offering for the temple? Now, did God tell the people to bring gold, silver for a tithe? If, not what did God tell the people to give for a tithe?As far as your question, I honestly do not know WHY Abraham tithed or Jacob…Can you please tell me WHY with scriptural proof? Also,does knowing that Abraham or Jacob tithed bolster your position?And how? CAn we talk about the examples of giving found in Acts?

  22. michael m says:

    I’ve just re-read- well read properly Alan’s essay – blog on ‘tithing’ and i’ve found it a well written and balanced teaching on that subject . Thanks for that Alan . I wasn’t able to look at the offending videos as my computer at present , wont let me :) .

  23. Tarre Stanley says:

    I’ve noticed that whenever you ask pointed direct question with those who insist on usurping scriptures teaching you can never get a direct answer. It’s either silence or unfriended, if its facebook

  24. Corey says:

    TARRE ASKED ME – What I would like for you to answer is:what is a tithe according to the bible? – A TENTH OF YOUR INCREASE- Was there money back in those days in the form of gold,silver and denaris? IN THE DAYS OF ABRAHAM THERE WAS MONEY, BUT WE DONT KNOW IF THERE WAS MONEY WHEN HE TITHED. THE FIRST MENTION OF MONEY IS AFTER SARAH DIES, SHE WAS 127, BUT ABRAHAM TITHED WHEN SARAH WAS ALIVE ALMOST 40 YEARS BEFORE MONEY IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE – Did God specifically tell the people to bring silver and gold for offering for the temple? Now, did God tell the people to bring gold, silver for a tithe? If, not what did God tell the people to give for a tithe?As far as your question, I honestly do not know WHY Abraham tithed or Jacob…Can you please tell me WHY with scriptural proof?- ARBAHAM AND JACOB TITHED OUT OF THEIR INCREACE- Also,does knowing that Abraham or Jacob tithed bolster your position? ITS NOT ABOUT BOLSTERING ANYONE’S POSSTION – And how? CAn we talk about the examples of giving found in Acts? – ACTS IS THE BEGINING OF THE CHURCH AND THE CHURCH IS STILL HERE

    THERE IS MANY WAYS TO INCREASE, THE MOST COMMOND ONE IS THROUGH WORK.

    GOD BLESS YOU TARRE, HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

    • Tarre Stanley says:

      Bro Corey, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. However, you lumped the three most important question together and sort of skirted around them.lol The specific questions were 1) did God tell the people to bring silver, gold for offerings? 2) did God tell the people to bring silver and gold for a tithe? 3) what did God tell the people to give as a tithe? I am not talking about what Abraham offered of his own free will. Neither am I talking a out what Jacob promise to tithe in exchange for Gods blessing. Thank you once again

    • glasseyedave says:

      I am late to the convesation but let me post here what I posted above. This should answer your question about what God wanted and what they were supposed to do after the Law came.

      Actually, they did have money. If the Hebrew was to far away from Jerusalem they were to sell their tithe, take the money to Jerusalem and by back what they sold. But the agricultural tithe they bought back was to be eaten in front of the Lord.

      Deu 14:22-26 KJV Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. (23) And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. (24) And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: (25) Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: (26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

      So to complicate the conversation even more… who takes their tithe to church and eats it before the Lord?

      glasseyedave
      thegospelaccordingtothegospel.com

  25. glasseyedave says:

    To everyone,

    I find it very interesting that everybody is concerned about what Abraham did. Those who advocate tithing always use Abraham as their example because if you want to be scriptural the Law is dead.

    Galatians says the Law came till the seed (Jesus) should come. Colossians says the Law was nailed to the cross. Hebrews says we are no longer under the written code of the Law and its ordinances but of the power of the endless life. Not to mention all the other things Hebrews says about the new covenant surpassing the OT. I could really go on but lets get to the heart of it all.

    Abraham is used as the example of tithing before the Law came. Therefore it is taught that tithing did not die with the Law.

    Now teachers who advocate tithing like to say that we are not commanded to tithe in Abrahams example of tithing (plundering and killing his enemies and given a tenth of that) but there is a principle set in scripture. Some like to call it the law of first mention.

    So does the “tithing principle” go out the window for the NT believer just like the Law or is it still in effect because it was pre Law? That really is the question here.

    I would like to ask, how can a principle be in effect, that we extract from the story of Abraham, when following an actual command given to Abraham would make Christ of no value to us?

    What I mean is this. Abraham was commanded to circumcise all male children or they had no part of the covenant. So serious was this that God was going to kill Moses right after the burning bush for not circumcising his son. See Exodus chapter 4.

    But we find Paul, who calls circumcision the sign in the flesh of God’s imputed righteousness, saying if anyone gets circumcised, Christ is of no value to them.

    To keep it short… We are to be circumcised not by hands but by Christ through the putting off of the sinful nature. In fact believers are called the circumcision. What was commanded by the Law is now actually fulfilled in believers through Christ. God is still just as serious as He was with Moses about circumcision, but now He does it IN the believer. The seal of imputed righteousness had moved from outside the flesh into the heart of man. This is how Paul could say not to follow the Law of Moses nor follow the commandment given by God to Abraham to circumcise the males who are part of the covenant. The covenant being, “I will be your God and you will be my people”.

    So what we find is the Law being nullified concerning the mark on the flesh which testifies of God’s imputed righteousness for His people. We also find the commandment given to Abraham concerning circumcision being nullified as well.

    So what can we say, the commandment found in the Law of Moses to tithe died with the Law, but the principle of tithing we observe in Abraham before the Law lives? How can the principle to tithe, we apply to the NT saint, still be valid when the COMMANDMENT given by God to Abraham is not?

    For those who like to use Abraham as their example for tithing as the ultimate principle observed outside the Law, please let me know how anyone can command believers to give out of principle we observe (and say they rob God if the do not tithe) when the actual command of God given to Abraham is nullified? Does what we see observed in Abraham now supersede the work of Christ? Is our observance and our command to tithe (as some sell tithing) greater than the words of God Himself?

    I expect no answer, because I understand this is Greek to many, when it is actually scripture.

  26. Ndambi Ebenezer says:

    The law was to bring the Jews to recognize whom God was through obedience and appreciations. Tithes was a means for the Jews to appreciate that what they had was provided by God. The Jews were asked not to eat certain animals to prove their obedience and not because the animals were bad. Today the new testament does not restrict us from eating the same animals. Tithing should be done by those who want but they should know that it is not a serving account for interest. the new testament say Christians should give whatever they have to offer with a cheerful and happy heart. a cheerful heart is one without sins. The new testament instruct that if you hold your brother in your heart , settle the problem before bringing your offering to drop in the offering basket. in the old testament , tithes were a command because by giving you were forced to think and recognize that you are giving a bit from the much that God has given you. Today Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit to give with joy and cheerfully without being forced to. When the early churches began no tithing has been mentioned some where. We here how they gave for the church without restriction. What they had was place at the foot of the apostles to be used to help the church. From the gifts the apostle were to live on and the poor benefited. The apostle Paul once told the church that he has decided to work with his own hand to earn his living though he had the right to depend on the church, he could have told them to bring their tithes for him to live on.
    Today we should be talking of church offerings and donations for church projects and activities which should be done without constrain for it depends on the individual Christian. Ananas and Sophira were not forced to sell their land to hand the money but the Holy Spirit prompted them and they accepted to hand all the money to the church , but along the process the listen to the voice of the devil and did contrary the what they had promised to do.
    * I am sorry I have not quoted any verse of the scripture but I think what I am saying can be supported the bible.
    Thanks , God bless the readers.

  27. keith says:

    God bless you Alan, Glasseye, Idfitzgerald and Michael……….. you are all absolutely right in your posts, i’m afraid this Corey is typical of whats wrong in today’s teaching of the Gospel. Taking scriptures out of context and spinning them to suit their own cause.(would make a good politician) My brother Corey I would suggest that it is you whose behaviour is more like the Pharisees than that of Tarre that you suggested earlier. Do you feel righteous because you tithe? Don’t you realise that there are many people out there that to tithe 10 per cent wouldn’t make the slightest difference to their lifestyle at all but they would feel smuggly justified that they were fulfilling their christian obligations. We are instructed to give sacrificially according to whats purposed by our spirit with a willing heart ……… that principal might manifest in many christians giving way in excess of the 10 percent that you falsely teach is our command. What would you do in this case? give a cash-back??
    What staggered me most is that he states that he tithes to avoid being cursed!! and to receive Gods blessings. Dear Corey … God is not in the business of selling favours. and to suggest that we are all cursed because we don’t tithe is false and nothing short of sinfull. But what angers me most is that this deciever is preaching this doctrine to new christians and scaring them into handing over their money( the term extortion comes to mind)
    This doctrine of greed is excessive in the modern day church and just plays into the hands of the devil (who is constantly telling the occasional, part time and curious church goer that all the church is interested in is your money)
    These people are doing more damage than good to those evangelising the true gospel by their false teachings and are responsible for many turning their backs on the opportunity to rediscover their churches because they see it as just a money making business under the guise of religion.
    You and your kind should re read the bible with a pure heart and listen to what it says and not to what you want it to say.
    You will have to face your maker one day and answer to him ….. not to us!! all we can do is to pray for you that through the true spirit of God you will see the error of your ways.

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