Jesus said He did not come to destroy but fulfil it. In essence He reveals its true application. When the woman was about to be stoned he confronted others with their sin so that they realised that none of them were in a position to “condemn” her to death not that they couldn’t declare the truth because he then went on to tell her to go and “sin no more”. When he spoke about adultery He didn’t lower the standard he raised it. The letter of the law was easier to do. The Spirit of the law is a higher standard

The point that is central to all of this is that if someone relies on the Word of God for their salvation and claims that their life flows from the God of the Bible they cannot then turn around and twist clear Biblical principles to suit their situation. The same is true for someone who commits a different kind of sin

I appreciate that Tonex feels free in the sense that he no longer has to live undercover. That is good in itself. The truth in John 8:32 is not the truth about our situations but the truth about Jesus. vs 31 makes that clear not to mention the whole chapter. He tells the Jews that they will die in their sins if they don’t believe on Him and to those who did He says that if they continue in His Word they will become His disciples and they shall know the Truth …

The problem with his interview is more in the suggestion that God honours any consensual covenant. He has approved one sexual convenant relationship. Sexual intercourse outside of that covenant relationship is sin whether hetero or homo-sexual. The latter is perhaps more so only because it is a teparture from God’s instruction and also a departure from His created order but all have sinned and fallen short so Lexi is right in saying we need to show love. I am glad that he has been honest and also that he recognised what his real issues were (pride, lust etc…) and when he says he’s “not struggling” he could simply mean he accepts what his desire is

However,
1) I am concerned that he wants to continue practising in the belief that it is God’s will for Him to be sexually active. Waiting for God to move is fine but breaking His commandment is not
2) I am concerned that he is sending a message that it is acceptable to practice homosexuality. Having the desire isn’t the issue. Many people have sinful desires but giving in to them is the problem.
3) I’m concerned that after he asserts that the Church accepts heterosexual promiscuity but castigates homosexual committed relationships he suggests that the latter is more acceptable. Both of them are sinful and the Church should not approve of either and where a person guilty of either of these repents they should be treated the same

We do need to pray for him and remember that he still is gifted. David continually messed up but he was still a man after God’s own heart. Why because he continually sought after God and repented. If God restores Tonex there is potentially an awesome ministry that we have not seen before. Tonex almost eludes to that.

Peace

Drae

Why lead your life in opposition to your views when the only person saying it is wrong has no reason to back it up, or may not even exist for that manner.

Todd Bentley was probably ACCEPTED BY MANY Christians because he operated Toronto “Blessing” type spiritual phenomena that achieved widespread acceptance MANY YEARS prior.

These phenomena are sensational and pleasurable, many people are attracted by them, so many Christians may assume that is good to get more people coming in the church door.

However it is actually a diabolical INTRUSION to ruin churches.

Toronto “blessing” type ministry is attractive to many church leaders as a supernatural power they can DISPENSE to people.
They become spiritual drug dealers, and many people get “hooked”.

Attempting to command, wave, and prod the Holy Spirit or Jesus INTO PEOPLE is gross misbehaviour against God.

He will not be commanded by men or be indulged like a prostitute for drunken frolicks.
The phenomena isn’t a blessing from God.
It is an INFILTRATION OF OCCULT POWER from the same source as Hindu “Shaktipat”. Google “Shaktipat”.

Toronto “Blessing” is WIZARDRY and MAGIC ARTS from familiar spirits (demons masquerading as friendly):
Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. (KJV)

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice MAGIC ARTS, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

Toronto “Blessing” definitely didn’t come from the creator God, as he NEVER imparts manifestations similar to mental illness or drunken / drugged, as that is a contradiction of a SOUND MIND and SELF CONTROL which he has REPEATEDLY endorsed in the Bible.

The only exception might be when God PUNISHES SOMEONE by putting them into a drunken stupor, which would ALSO be a WARNING to others.

Christians should not PROVOKE punishment from God:
Isaiah 8:13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as HOLY, he is the one you are to FEAR, he is the one you are to DREAD

The Bible repeatedly asserts DRUNKENNESS as IMMORAL.

The Bible does not endorse a righteous version of drunkenness, just as there is no righteous version of stealing, adultery or lying.

Rom 13:12-14 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us CAST OFF the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. let us WALK PROPERLY, as in the day, NOT IN REVELRY AND DRUNKENNESS, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

On the Day of Pentecost Christian disciples preached the gospel in various languages which impressed listeners who comprehended the message in their own language. (Acts 2:1-47)
However MOCKERS accused the disciples of being drunk for speaking authentic languages the disciples normally didn’t know.
The FALSE ACCUSATION OF MOCKERS should not be used to justify spiritual or physical drunkenness.

2 Cor 4:4 The GOD OF THIS AGE has BLINDED THE MINDS OF UNBELIEVERS, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Spiritual drunkenness blinds the minds of BELIEVERS!

The Bible encourages us to TEST THE SPIRITS, and that should include USING YOUR MIND to ANALYSE the outcomes (manifestations) in conjunction with seeking what THE BIBLE says about it.
This is what a RENEWED MIND is for.
1 John 4:1 … test the spirits to see whether they are from God…
Romans 12:2 …be transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND. Then you will BE ABLE TO TEST and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Being discerning includes being CAUTIOUS.
“The fear of the Lord” includes being cautious.
God recommends this to protect us from harm.

Spiritual drunkenness ministries (eg. John Crowder) that encourage reckless abandon towards God are DEFYING Gods repeating counsel in the Bible.

2 Cor 11:14-15 Satan himself MASQUERADES as an ANGEL OF LIGHT. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Playing around with counterfeit “angels of light” (familiar spirits) might be BLISS and ECSTASY now, but if not repented of will lead to REJECTION by the Most High God FOREVER.

The “big party” will occur in heaven AFTER WE DIE, not now (Rev 19:9).

Scripture asserts we now have SERIOUS WORK to do while remaining firmly SOBER.
2 Tim 4:5 …. KEEP YOUR HEAD in all situations, endure hardship, DO THE WORK of an evangelist, discharge ALL THE DUTIES of your ministry.

“Keep your head” includes NOT getting drunk.

Luke 12:45-46 … suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and GET DRUNK.
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will CUT HIM TO PIECES AND ASSIGN HIM A PLACE WITH THE UNBELIEVERS.

“eat and drink and GET DRUNK” in that passage probably means self indulgence and spiritual foolishness while NEGLECTING what God wants doing.

Toronto “Blessing” type phenomena produce manifestations such as mental euphoria, body vibrations, twitching, slurred speech, gibberish speech and sound effects, animal acts – dogs, chickens, lions, snakes, etc., staggering about, falling over (“slain”), and having uncontrollable/irrational laughter.

These are manifestations of the god of CHAOS – Lucifer.
People who participate are unwittingly practicing MOCKERY of the Bible, mockery of God the Father, mockery of Jesus Christ and mockery of the Holy Spirit.

Participators who come to this realisation should repent and DELIBERATELY AVOID any recurrences. They should also warn others, as it will be disastrous on judgement day for people who PERSISTED in spiritually fornicating with Satan’s minions “familiar spirits”.

I was previously deceived about Toronto “Blessing” in a church I attended.
I tolerated it due to experiences I had at a Christian training school about 4 years prior, as well as not comparing it sufficiently against Bible counsel.

PRIDE could make a person unwilling to face the possibility they have been deceived, and then to remove themselves from the convenience of continuing in fellowship with others who indulge in false ministry.

It is God himself who gives DIVISIVE COUNSEL:
Rev 18:4-5 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues.”

Will people heed God’s warning?
Sadly, MANY WON’T because they are either in love with a false Christ who gives them tickles, or have insufficient “fear of the Lord”:
Prov 14:26-27 He who FEARS THE LORD has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

Toronto “Blessing” type phenomena have been called “new wine”.

It is actually spiritual ADULTERY, and therefore MADDENING WINE:
Rev 18:3 the nations have drunk the MADDENING WINE of her ADULTERIES.

At the height of a Toronto “Blessing” era I experienced in the mid 1990’s, the church services were a MADHOUSE OF MANIFESTATIONS.
They used to have evenings where cushions were put all over the floor for all the FALLING OVER that went on.

“Slain”…….. churches are falling over!

The Holy Spirit will be GRIEVED by Christian people fornicating with spiritual sensations from the Devil: Eph 4:30 do not grieve the Holy Spirit.

Phenomena like Toronto “Blessing” push people towards mental illness, such as BIPOLAR DISORDER, through giving them tremendous euphoric “high’s”, (supposedly a “blessing” from God), then they come crashing down into UNBEARABLE depression when the “high” wears off.

This causes them to seek more of the “high” and become FAMILIAR SPIRIT DRUG ADDICTS.

Mental illness and demon influence are sometimes different names for the same thing.

This is how churches are becoming “Babylon”: Rev 18:2 “She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit”

1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.