The problem that I have with baptism testimonies

Posted: November 6, 2007 in Maturing in Christ, The Gospel
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Before I say what I am going to say, let me make it clear from the start that I am in no way saying that the people that I am about to talk about are not sincere, nor am I saying that they are not saved. That is not the point of my topic but I think there is a bigger problem which needs to be addressed and that is the understanding of a new believer about salvation.

So what is my problem? The problem that I have is that whenever I listen to a tesimony before a baptism, I seldomly hear the person say that their reason for coming to Christ and getting baptised is because they recognise that they have sinned against God and that they have repented of their sins and put their trust in Jesus Christ alone recognising the work that Jesus did on the cross in paying the penalty for their sins (or words to that effect).

On the contrary what I do hear (and if I may say, on a regular basis) is something along these lines.

I was bought up in church when I was young and I knew about God and then when I got older and decided to do my own thing, then ‘fill in the blank’ happened in my life and then I realised that I needed to go back to church etc

Or

My friend invited me to church and it was very friendly and the people were very nice and I have never stopped coming since

Or

I gave my life to Jesus because my life was empty……

Or

Even though I enjoyed my life, I knew that there was a hole in my heart that only God could fill…..

Why is this? Could it be that we do not make it clear to them what the actual gospel is? Or is it that we have reduced God to a person who just helps us through life like a spare tyre?

One time I asked a few people why they came to Christ and they basically said the above statements. When I mentioned that they should have come to Christ because of their sins…well lets say that I was not the favorite person in the room and I got a backlash. Now of course people can grow in their faith and understand this later on but isnt this the basics of christianity? Shouldn’t they know this foundation upon which everything else is built. Even if it is not articulate, surely it should be mentioned somewhere but the fact of the matter is that I hardly hear it. Once a person truly understands the sacrifice that Jesus made by diverting the wrath that they should have received, you cannot but mention it.

I think that this is indicative of christianity on a whole where we omit the gospel out of so much these days that we are suprised when we come against a train wreck later on down the road. Lets get back to repentance and faith (Acts 20:21)

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  1. This year, I joined an Orthodox friend in reading the Early Church Father’s during Lent. While I didn’t agree with all of his theology, the detailed instructions St. Cyril presented to the men and women who were preparing for baptism made me think that perhaps we should still be doing some training. In the Orthodox church these people are called catechums. The word comes from the Greek word used in Galatians 6:6, “Let him that is taught in the word…”

    [Now of course people can grow in their faith and understand this later on but isnt this the basics of christianity] And, in my case it took a VERY long time for God to be Lord of my life ~ Great thoughts.

    • Steven says:

      I think you need to ease up. I didn’t come to Christ because I knew I was a sinner, I came to Christ because my life was a wreck and I found out Christ was the only way of being saved. It was AFTER I asked Christ to save me that I was convicted of my sin. I kind of asked Him to save me from some bad stuff in my life and it was like He said, well I will help (after all, none that come to Him will be turned away), but you need to realize your sin first. God is ultimately in control, and this is the way the Lord found His way to my life. It was some weeks after I asked the Lord to save me that I was convicted of my sin, but He most definitely has saved me and my new life is the living testimony. Even my Dad who lost His faith has started saying how proud he is of how my life has changed – and all this after asking Christ to save me.

      If God chooses to enter someones life HE will choose the entry point – after all, HE CHOSE US, WE DID NOT CHOOSE HIM.

  2. terry dean says:

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON, BY TERRY DEAN, PG 1.

    I am a 50-year-old man, I drive a semi truck for a living, I am also buying a home in
    Oroville california, and I have 3 kids and my wife, in all just a regular family.
    On jan-2nd 2005, I Terry Dean witness this, it was 3 o’clock in the morning.
    I was on 1-5 driving south in the semi truck, I was 10 miles south of lathrope CA.
    I heard a great wind, then he appeared looking like a 2ft X 5ft tornado in the cab
    Of the semi truck, when the spinning wind stopped it became and was the form and
    Shape of a man.
    He said with a loud voice, “I am the lord your GOD and besides Me there is no other”.
    At this point as he appeared I looked at him right in the face, His face was full of a
    Fierce anger, His body looked like flowing energy that was tan in color,after seeing His
    Face 1 time I did not look at his face again for the next 2 days because I felt I was not
    Worthy to look upon His face or worthy for him to look upon my face.
    The magnitude of His presents cannot be put into words.
    The power of his voice was overwelming and can not be defined or titled or put
    Into words.
    I felt totally exposed and vulnerable at his presents.
    At this time He was very angry and very fierce and I thought I was going to die, my
    whole body started shaking and trembling ( I could not stop for the next 24 hours),
    Then he said, “I am giving you your deliverance, I am setting the captive free,I
    Have cast out the demons again, you have your healing and your salvation so now stand”.
    Then I started to cry and could not stop or control my crying, my nose started to run
    And before long my beard was full of tears and snot, I did not have a rag or napkins to
    Dry my face so I kept wiping my eyes of tears so I could see the highway, my
    Wind breaker jacket and shirt were wet to, the wind breaker was no good for drying my
    Face, it only smeared.
    Then he said “I am going into my temple and tear out the furniture and tear down
    The walls and build a new temple and bring in heavenly furniture and we will go in and
    Sup together”, then He leaned forward and put His hands together and became a stream
    Of energy or electricity that flowed right into my chest, I could feel Him enter my chest.
    I could feel Him moving around and doing something in there.
    Then I started to feel better and almost lighter as if heavy sin was being removed,
    This went on for about 30 minutes or so.
    At about 3:00 am he came back out the way he went in, a stream of flowing
    Energy came out of my chest and formed a man shape, and stood in front of me,
    I kept my head down a little so i would not look at his face, then he stepped to my right
    And stood there for 10 or 15 min-, I was petrified so I sat there driving the semi truck
    For that 10 or 15 min and nothing was said, I could not stop crying or shaking.
    Now at about 3:45 and He began to shout at me and He was in great rage.
    He was so fierce as he went from one side of me to the other side of me that He
    Seem to be all over me and in me and at me.

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON PG.2

    He made it clear he was angry about the way I have been living becouse I was
    Living for Him only part of the time and not all of the time.
    I was very scared, and I said LORD GOD you are going to give me a heart
    Attack, and He said “I will take your heart of stone and give you a heart of
    Flesh and with your new heart I will give you a new song,” now it took him only
    One second for Him to do and say this, He reached His hand into my chest and pulled
    My heart out and put His hand back in and gave me a new heart, and pulled His
    Hand out and said “And a new song” as 4 stars flew from His finger tips, now as soon
    As the stars hit me a song started, the music was beautiful and not of this world, it
    Sounded like singing angels as the song filled the cab of the truck, this was the first
    Song of 4 songs in a roll I heard, I have played the drums for 20 years and believe you
    Me the timing and notes were not of this world, very very lovely songs.
    Now at this point a great peace came over me and I felt blessed and pure.
    Then He calmed down and His fierce fury and anger left Him and He was no longer
    Angry, but before in His anger I was and am sure that no man or army’s or weapons or
    Powers of any kind could go against Him and live or stand.
    Even the earth would like to hide in the sun from this one, I believe the whole
    Earth would be safer and have a better chance of living by throwing it’s self into the
    Sun rather then go against Him.
    Then He stood in front of me And put His hands together and became that flowing
    Stream of energy that flowed into my chest.
    Now the next thing I know we are standing together at the front doors of a large
    Temple.
    The doors opened and we walked in, at this point He was in the form of a man
    Made with flesh and bone, He had on a great robe, it was white.
    Now the temple was made of gold, but the floor was made of bright silver.
    At the back of the temple was a great throne made of gold, the back of the throne
    Was very high and beautiful, we are standing just inside the temple doors and to our
    Right is a large table set with food, the table was 3ft x 40ft long, we walked over to
    The table and sat down and started to eat, we said nothing at supper, then He stood up and
    Walked over to His throne and He sat down.
    I got up just enough to go to the floor with my face on the floor and I crawled to
    The corner of the temple by the table, I kept my face to the floor as low as I could get.
    With my hands over my face I cried and wept in the corner.
    After a little time passed I felt I had to go to His throne, so I said Lord God and He
    Said “Yes”, I said may I come to your throne and He said ” come”, so I crawled to him with
    My face to the floor, I was crying and trembling.
    I started kissing His feet and washing them with my tears.
    Now the love and compassion coming from Him was overwhelming, I was in heaven

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON PG.3

    Then I felt not worthy even to kiss His feet so I said “Lord” and He said “Yes” I said
    May I leave your throne, He said “Yes”, so I kept my face to the floor and crawled back
    To the corner where I was before and with my hands over my face I stayed there
    Bowed down crying and weeping.
    After what seemed to be about 10 minutes my heart started to yearn for Him
    Overwhelmingly so I said “Lord”, He said “Yes”, I said can I come back to your throne,
    He said “come”, so I crawled back to Him with my face to the floor, I reached His
    Feet and with much crying and weeping I started to kiss His feet again.
    I knew He could read my mind and I knew I thought I was not worthy to look upon
    His face.
    After what seemed to be about 5 minutes I said “Lord” He said “Yes”, I said “May I leave
    Your thrown”, He said “Yes”, so I crawled back to the corner like before
    And stayed there crying with my hands over my face bowed down.
    After a little while I yearned for Him again, everything in me and of me was saying
    Go back to Him, I must go back, so I said “Lord”, He said “Yes” I said “May I come back to
    Your thrown, He said “Yes” so I started crawling back to Him like before face down
    And crying.
    Now this was the 3rd time I went to His thrown, I was kissing His feet and washing
    Them with my tears.
    Then I said “Lord”, He said “Yes”, I said “May I Leave Your thrown”, He said “Yes”, so with
    My face to the floor I crawled only 2 feet and He said “Stand up and walk back like
    A son”, so I stood up happy and tall and walked back to the table where we
    Had ate before, I sat there about 10 minutes with my hands over my face.
    Then He stood up and walked over to me, I stood up and we walked together to
    The other side of the large table where there was a small table, on the small table was
    A diagram of what I would do.
    Then He said “I am giving you a new name, your new name is the messenger and
    The witness, you are in my hand and I am in your heart and I have blessed you before
    The foundation of the world, you were in christ during His ressurection, I am sending you
    To stand in front of many people”, I said “Lord god I can’t do that, He said “I have taken
    Your soiled rags and givin you a robe of righteousness, I will give you the power and
    The boldness and go before you and I will open the door and you will enter in and
    The rivers will be full and the shade shall be plenty”.
    I said “Why me Lord”, He said “You are a tree I have been pruning and trimming
    For my purpose and glory.
    Now tell the people I gave them this message, I have sent you and if they know me
    They will receive you because you are of me and we are the same, and if they
    Receive you not it is because they know not me who sent you, and if they know not me
    Who sent you they will be damned.
    I am your god and besides me there is no other, I have life in my hand.
    I the Lord have spoke it.

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON PG.4
    “I am He, when you come to my throne you bring with you fear in one hand and
    Trembling in the other hand, do not bring with you idle talk or childrens games
    For there is a fierce war in Heaven and earth, after you enter into the kingdom then
    We will rejoice and be glad, but for now bring with you fear and trembling”.
    Then He pointed down at the diagram on the small table and said “Here you are
    Standing in front of many people and you will do very good for a time and
    Reaching many, you will stand and your ministry will stand, and right here you
    Will leave and go straight through the gates of the kingdom and enter into the
    Kingdom.
    Your robe is already there waiting for you, and your crown is there also.
    Then He said “All of your family will be saved and enter the kingdom.
    Now the next thing I know we are back in the cab of the semi truck, He is standing
    To my right and I am driving just like before we went into His temple.
    The truck was not stopped or pulled over at any time, it is now 4:30 am, I was
    Amazed and crying and thinking of all He had told me, then He said “I am going into
    My temple”. Then He turned into that stream of energy again and flowed into
    My chest again.
    We did not talk for the next hour but the music was still coming out of me, the
    Music was loud, the music was not of this world, it was so beautiful and sounded
    Like singing angels, maybe 10 or 15 of them.
    Now at about 6 o’clock I was wondering if He was still in me so I said “Lord
    God”, and He said “I am here”, so I drove till about 7 o’clock and arrived at my
    Delivery and pick-up point, in Coalinga CA at I-5 Hwy and 198 Hwy, I arrived 3
    Minutes early and traded trucks with the driver from the south from Fontana CA
    I started my return trip at 7:15 am, now as I was driving I would remember parts of
    What happened so I would pull over and write them down and I pulled over many
    Times on the way back.
    Now about 1 hour before I arrived back at the willows terminal I was thinking
    Of Wayne, Wayne is a close relative of mine, I was just talking out loud to my self
    Saying “Wayne will never believe what is happening to me”. and the Lord said “Tell
    Wayne it doesn’t matter if he believes or not, it won’t change the work I am doing in
    You” I said “Ok Lord I will tell him.
    Now when the Lord spoke from inside me He sounded like many lions roaring at
    The same time, and sometime He sounded as soft as a lamb.
    I arrived back at the truck terminal in willows ar 12:30 pm, I got in my car and
    Started to drive home, when I got to Oroville CA I stopped at Wayne’s home to tell
    Him what had happened and told him what the Lord said to him, I was right he
    Had trouble beleiving any of this even though he is a man of God.
    I left Wayne’s and started home, I was thinking does the Lord know what Iam
    Thinking and feeling, does He really know my hurts and pains, so I would ask Him.
    So I said “Lord”, He said nothing, I said “Lord”, He said nothing, by not answering
    He was saying yes I know your thoughts, and how could you ask me God that.

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON PG.5
    So this was the only time He did not answer me, it meant a lot to me because this
    Was a very stupid question.
    So I arrived home and sat down shaking and crying, I could not stop, it was so
    Intense, I just sat there shaking and crying.
    My wife was soon home and I started to tell her all that had happened to me, she
    Started to cry saying thank you Jesus thank you Lord.
    We wept together and cried together for the rest of the evening and did not stop.
    I slowed down a little, but before long I would go into a weeping and
    Shaking mode, every time I would brake down she would do the same.
    My daughter came home and saw me shaking and said take a shower, that will
    Warm you up, I said “I’m not shaking because i’m cold, I’m shaking because of the present’s
    Of God.
    I did sleep before going back to work but not much.
    I woke up and got ready for work, I left for work at 12:45 am on day #2.
    Now normally I would pray at this time when I first start driving, asking the Lord to watch
    Over me and my driving, and to protect my family while I am away, but I was still
    Shuck up from what happened and did not feel like praying or talking to the Lord.
    Right then so I said “Lord” He said “I am here”, I said “I’m still shook up from yesterday,
    Is it okay if we talk later, He said “Yes” so I kept on driving and wondering what would
    Happen later.
    Now when the Lord would talk His voice came right out of me because He was
    Inside of me, it was not a little small voice inside me like I sometimes here, when He
    Talked for these 2 days His voice was as fierce as a lion or sounded like many water
    Falls sometimes His voice was as meek as a lamb, very calm, but always clear just the
    Way it sounds when someone is in the room talking, His voice filled the car or
    Cab of the truck, I heard it with regular ears.
    So I got to work at 1:45 am, picked up the semi truck and drove south on I-5 like
    Normal.
    At about 4 am there was a strong rushing wind that came out of me in the form of
    A tornado, it just sat to my right spinning for a minute, it was a bout 3ft by 4ft high.
    It stopped, He was in the form of a man but was red in color, bright red and looked
    Like flowing electricity, I looked and in His right hand was a big red ball, it was about
    The size of a basketball and it looked like bright red flowing electricity or energy.
    He said with a loud voice “Receive Ye Fire”, and He slammed the red ball on my
    Chest, it exploded on me and went all over me and in me, I was jerking back and forth.
    The energy was so strong it took my breath, I had to catch my breath then I looked
    Over and He now has a big blue ball in His right hand, and it looked like
    Energy or electricity, this blue ball was bigger than the red ball and He was bigger to.
    Then He said with a loud voice “Receive Ye The Holy Ghost”, then He slammed
    It on my chest and it exploded on me and went over me and in me again, and again
    I was jerking back and forth, I had to catch my breath again, and He said in a loud
    Voice, “Many men have cried and many men would have died to see what you have seen”.

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON,PG 6
    Then He put His hands together and turned into a stream of energy that flowed into
    My chest again.
    So I sat there driving and thinking.
    Now at about 5:am He came out of me again the same way, loud wind and a
    Spinning tornado, when He stopped He was in the form as before, tan in color.
    Then He said in a loud voice ” Put on the whole armor of GOD and keep your eyes
    On JESUS and your heart on the HOLY GHOST, I am giving you gifts of the SPIRIT ”
    I said what gift’s LORD, He said “Discerning of spirit’s and the ability to cast out evil
    Spirit’s”,then I said what other gift’s LORD, He said “Let it be according to your faith”.
    Then He went back inside me, so I sat there driving the truck and thinking.
    I arrived at colinga CA at about 7:30am, I traded trucks and started back north
    At 7:45am.
    At 8:45am, I said LORD, He said “Yes”, I said I am sorry they crucified you He said
    “It is all right it had to be done”.
    I arrived back at the willows terminal at 1:00pm and got in my car heading for
    Home.
    On my way I said Lord, He said “Yes” I said “Is there anyone saved by having faith
    In the faith of Abraham”, He said “Yes, there are some saved who had faith in the faith
    Of Abraham” I later ask myself if He meant today or only at the time of Abraham.
    Then He said “on the 3rd day I will reveal what you should do, and go to the church and
    Have the elders put there hands on you and anointing you with oil so that you will
    Recieve your healing”.
    Then I said LORD, I am stopping at wayne’s house to talk to him, what should I
    Say to him to make Him believe what is happining to me, or is there something you
    Want to say to him, He said “Yes, tell him I said Wayne, you are among us, fear not
    I am with you always”, little did I know that Wayne would be killed in a freak accident
    One month from today, GOD blessed him, he is with the LORD even as you read this.
    I stopped by Waynes and told him what the LORD had said, I left there from home.
    On my way I said LORD, He said “Yes” I said I hope I did not say any thing I should
    Not have said, He said “No, I know what you were going to say and I would have warned
    You in advance”.
    When I got home I was wondering what the Lord would reveal (Tomorrow) on
    The 3rd day, so I sat there rested and prayed, I was thinking about all that had happened
    Over the last 2 days, I went to bed early at about 7:30pm.
    I woke up early at 5:am, it was the 3rd day and I was excited about what the
    LORD would reveal that I should do, and It did not take Him long to do it.
    I said “LORD”, He said nothing, I said “LORD”, He still said nothing, “oh no my LORD
    Your gone”. then He revealed to me what I should do.
    I had thought and was thinking that He was going to be in me in POWER and talk
    To me as I went on my mission and talk to me as I did my ministry, in other words to
    Hold my hand every step of the way, and to guide me, but now I realize that I must go
    Forth in faith as a man, and walk in the spirit, as a son of GOD

    JESUS CAME TO ME IN PERSON PG.7
    Not go forth as a boy having my hand held.
    Now I know He is inside me, I know He will Lead me. but I wanted to hear His voice
    Like I did, and see Him come out of me as a rushing wind, I wanted to ask Him questions
    And hear His answers, to just stand in His presents and feel the love and compassion
    Coming from Him.
    When I realized He was not going to be in me and with me in that kind of power I
    Broke down real bad, and started crying very bitterly, I sat there crying and pleading to
    Him, “LORD,LORD, please come back, I need to hear your voice again, I need you
    Here LORD like you were, please just one time let me hear your voice again.
    Well I was not able to call him back to me, that does not surprise me because I did not
    Call him to me the first time, He came to me when He was ready, I was not even praying.
    I am nothing Special, just a man who believes that GOD will do what He wants, when
    He wants, and with who He wants, and I know He will complete His work in me.

    I LOVE YOU OH MY GREAT LORD & GOD

    MY KING AND MY LIFE JESUS

    To Talk, Leave Me A Message At Cell Number 530-990-6468

    E-mail jesus@orocom.net
    Thank you terry dean

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