Archive for April 22, 2009

Being Drunk in the Spirit

This was touched on yesterday but I am going to be a Berean and look to see what scripture has to say about this because this video disturbed me especially as I know many of the people in the video who were going along with what was going on.

But before I do, I know there will be many people from Ruach Ministries  (my old church) who think I have an axe to grind with Bishop John Francis so I will say straight up that my only motive is to measure up everything with scripture to see if it lines up. I know many people from Ruach who I know love the Lord and are sincere but the fact is what I am about to show is not biblical and we should not just ‘follow the man of Gawd’ blindly just because he is respected by the masses. We are instructed to be Bereans (Acts 17:11) and we are allowed to question what the ‘man of Gawd’ says

First of all, watch the video below

OK,  so where is the idea of being drunk in the spirit come from? It normally comes from the scripture below

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.   
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.” 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are NOT DRUNK (my emphasis) , as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.

First of all when we interpret scripture rightly we must use exegesis (finding the meaning of the text which then leads to discovering its significance or relevance.) and not eisegesis (the process of misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one’s own ideas, reading into the text). In laymens terms, allowing scripture to determine our doctrine and experience and not making our doctrine and experience determine the scripture.

A plain reading of the text  shows that

1. The mockers in verse 13 were trying to discredit the disciples by saying that they were drunk but it doesnt mean that they were

2. Peter in fact makes it very clear that they were NOT drunk

There is no indication that the disciples acted in any way shape or form similar to the video above yet this has become the norm in many churches today. In fact one of the fruit of the spirit in Galatians 5 is self control yet this is the very fruit that is absent in so many ‘drunk in the spirit’ experiences. Peter then proceeds to give the listeners the message of the cross

I would challenge anyone to show me from scripture in the correct context, behaviour such as what is seen in the video where the disciples were staggering around as if they were drunk and making people ‘slain in the spirit’, I sincerely would like to know as I only want to agree with what the bible says.  In fact, please show me where any believer was ‘drunk in the spirit’.

Commanding Angels

And while I’m at being a Berean, I may as well knock this ‘commanding of angels’ (as he puts it, “shout/scream for your angel”) on the head as well because this is also something that has bothered me. The below is taken from Learn the Bible which I think explains it adequately

Though angels are “ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14), I know of no Bible instances where humans were able to give them instructions either directly or through the name of Jesus. On the contrary, we have no control over the work of the angels. We know that they are above us since Jesus had to make Himself lower than the angels in order to come down and be born and suffer as a man (Hebrews 2:7-9). Hebrews also speaks of those who had entertained angels unawares (Hebrews 13:2). That is, men were not aware of their presence–even when they are visible as men.

Even in the Old Testament, where we see angels actively working with men, they are not at the bidding of men. The angel refused to reveal to Manoah, the father of Samson, his name. Though the angels who came to deliver Lot cooperated with Abraham and Lot, they certainly did not accept orders from them. When Lot failed to leave Sodom in a timely manner, the two angels forcibly took Lot and his immediate family out of town (Genesis 19:15-16).

The biblical way for the commanding of angels is found in several places. It is this: the people of God pray; the Lord hears their prayer; the Lord sends His angel or angels to do a work. Believers on earth do not have control over the angels. That is a myth made up by those who want to claim some great power over the spirit world that they do not have. Here are some examples:

  1. Moses spoke of when the children of Israel “cried unto the LORD, he heard our voice, and sent an angel, and hath brought us forth out of Egypt” (Numbers 20:16).
  2. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar’s image not knowing what God would do (Daniel 3:17-18). But God in His mercy “sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God” (Daniel 3:28). The Hebrew children did not order up the angel of the Lord, God did it.
  3. God “sent his angel” to deliver Daniel from the mouths of the lions in the den of lions (Daniel 6:22).
  4. The church in Jerusalem prayed for Peter when he was in prison (Acts 12:5). But when Peter was delivered, he testified that “the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews” (Acts 12:11). The Christians praying for Peter were so surprised when he showed up at the door that they almost did not let him in. Certainly, they did not command any angel to go get him.

All these passages and others show that men do not command angels and angels do not obey the commandments of men. They are God’s “holy angels” (Matthew 25:31; Revelation 14:10). Men are sinful by nature and have dwelling in their flesh no good thing. How could men have the right or the authority to command these holy ministers of God Almighty? Certainly, we cannot.

Now please before I start getting hate emails and comments from the defenders of these practices, all I ask is that you defend scripture first and your favorite preacher second. When it comes to your loyalty, ask yourself are you loyal to your pastor first and the truth of scripture second or do you see them as one and the same?

Were you offended by this post? Then check out the next post either tomorrow or Thursday