Being Drunk in the Spirit

This was touched on yesterday but I am going to be a Berean and look to see what scripture has to say about this because this video disturbed me especially as I know many of the people in the video who were going along with what was going on.

But before I do, I know there will be many people from Ruach Ministries  (my old church) who think I have an axe to grind with Bishop John Francis so I will say straight up that my only motive is to measure up everything with scripture to see if it lines up. I know many people from Ruach who I know love the Lord and are sincere but the fact is what I am about to show is not biblical and we should not just ‘follow the man of Gawd’ blindly just because he is respected by the masses. We are instructed to be Bereans (Acts 17:11) and we are allowed to question what the ‘man of Gawd’ says

First of all, watch the video below

OK,  so where is the idea of being drunk in the spirit come from? It normally comes from the scripture below

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.   
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.” 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are NOT DRUNK (my emphasis) , as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.

First of all when we interpret scripture rightly we must use exegesis (finding the meaning of the text which then leads to discovering its significance or relevance.) and not eisegesis (the process of misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one’s own ideas, reading into the text). In laymens terms, allowing scripture to determine our doctrine and experience and not making our doctrine and experience determine the scripture.

A plain reading of the text  shows that

1. The mockers in verse 13 were trying to discredit the disciples by saying that they were drunk but it doesnt mean that they were

2. Peter in fact makes it very clear that they were NOT drunk

There is no indication that the disciples acted in any way shape or form similar to the video above yet this has become the norm in many churches today. In fact one of the fruit of the spirit in Galatians 5 is self control yet this is the very fruit that is absent in so many ‘drunk in the spirit’ experiences. Peter then proceeds to give the listeners the message of the cross

I would challenge anyone to show me from scripture in the correct context, behaviour such as what is seen in the video where the disciples were staggering around as if they were drunk and making people ‘slain in the spirit’, I sincerely would like to know as I only want to agree with what the bible says.  In fact, please show me where any believer was ‘drunk in the spirit’.

Commanding Angels

And while I’m at being a Berean, I may as well knock this ‘commanding of angels’ (as he puts it, “shout/scream for your angel”) on the head as well because this is also something that has bothered me. The below is taken from Learn the Bible which I think explains it adequately

Though angels are “ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14), I know of no Bible instances where humans were able to give them instructions either directly or through the name of Jesus. On the contrary, we have no control over the work of the angels. We know that they are above us since Jesus had to make Himself lower than the angels in order to come down and be born and suffer as a man (Hebrews 2:7-9). Hebrews also speaks of those who had entertained angels unawares (Hebrews 13:2). That is, men were not aware of their presence–even when they are visible as men.

Even in the Old Testament, where we see angels actively working with men, they are not at the bidding of men. The angel refused to reveal to Manoah, the father of Samson, his name. Though the angels who came to deliver Lot cooperated with Abraham and Lot, they certainly did not accept orders from them. When Lot failed to leave Sodom in a timely manner, the two angels forcibly took Lot and his immediate family out of town (Genesis 19:15-16).

The biblical way for the commanding of angels is found in several places. It is this: the people of God pray; the Lord hears their prayer; the Lord sends His angel or angels to do a work. Believers on earth do not have control over the angels. That is a myth made up by those who want to claim some great power over the spirit world that they do not have. Here are some examples:

  1. Moses spoke of when the children of Israel “cried unto the LORD, he heard our voice, and sent an angel, and hath brought us forth out of Egypt” (Numbers 20:16).
  2. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar’s image not knowing what God would do (Daniel 3:17-18). But God in His mercy “sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God” (Daniel 3:28). The Hebrew children did not order up the angel of the Lord, God did it.
  3. God “sent his angel” to deliver Daniel from the mouths of the lions in the den of lions (Daniel 6:22).
  4. The church in Jerusalem prayed for Peter when he was in prison (Acts 12:5). But when Peter was delivered, he testified that “the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews” (Acts 12:11). The Christians praying for Peter were so surprised when he showed up at the door that they almost did not let him in. Certainly, they did not command any angel to go get him.

All these passages and others show that men do not command angels and angels do not obey the commandments of men. They are God’s “holy angels” (Matthew 25:31; Revelation 14:10). Men are sinful by nature and have dwelling in their flesh no good thing. How could men have the right or the authority to command these holy ministers of God Almighty? Certainly, we cannot.

Now please before I start getting hate emails and comments from the defenders of these practices, all I ask is that you defend scripture first and your favorite preacher second. When it comes to your loyalty, ask yourself are you loyal to your pastor first and the truth of scripture second or do you see them as one and the same?

Were you offended by this post? Then check out the next post either tomorrow or Thursday

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Comments
  1. Rachel says:

    Unbelievable . . . I agree with you, I don’t think that was biblical at all. It burns in my heart to see so many souls desperate for Him and taken advantage of and captive by lies.

    Excellent point about loyalty. Most have loyalty with their church not God. Thus why the sanctuary is trampled by the enemy.

    Rachel

  2. Stephen Olan told me about this while I was on holiday. What is wrong with that moron????

  3. Steve Sacman says:

    Yo young brother Douglas you know that this is the in thing now with “church” Christians, entertainment and grandiose ear tickling.. Come on bruv you need to get with it.. Put your bible down and get your “shout on” mate.. What’s wrong with ya son???

  4. Errm…been there, done that, got the t-shirt LOL. I’ll stick to solid doctrine, expositional preaching and powerful evangelism for now…

  5. miss-melly says:

    This stuff freaks me out, yeah I have been there done this too Douglas, it aint pretty, I see no self control, no peace, just chaos and a lot of flesh acting up.
    No wonder the world looks at this stuff and thinks we are all crazy Christians.

  6. RunHoly says:

    It says this video has been removed but…

    I was recently at the Ramp in Alabama where the Holy Spirit manifested. There was never a moment when people got out of control or acted disorderly. The presence of God only included hundreds of young people expressing great joy in praise, worship, and dancing. There is a super natural love that takes over and you feel this for everyone around you (I can only compare this feeling to times in my lost-ness that I did the drug ecstasy). There were hours and hours of prayer to God which takes some endurance. During this time, there was the laying on of hands as the ministers made a “Prayer Tunnel”. These teachers, prophets are so pure and devoted. The atmosphere truly changed as they prayed for each person that walked through. The air grew thicker and as soon as you walked through your heart was lighter, a supernatural calm overtakes you. You feel all the fruits of the Spirit only compounded upon compounded and then magnified. It is not of this world, but it definitely embodies the nature and character of God.

    The fruits of the Spirit do include self-control, but why are you so focused on this one fruit? Are we not also to be Spirit-led and Spirit-controlled? These fruits also contain love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness. In the presence of God, the level of these qualities is overwhelming.

    I did not get to see this group of people above, and I do not think every charismatic Spirit baptism event is completely authentic (we are only human). But what I see arising from these groups (Ramp, Kansas City, charismatic house of prayers) are young people devoted to lives of prayer/fasting and being “living sacrifices” for God. The Christians that emerge are changed, and are representative of the Acts 2 church, possessing spiritual maturity and boldness, holding nothing back, willing to give up all of their time and belongings and possibly even their life for Christ. If these individuals are the “fruit” of these ministries, then God is moving there. There is truth. There is Jesus.

    • vintagegirl says:

      Wow. The euphoric feeling of love being compared to the drug ecstacy… am I the only one that has an issue with that???

  7. Matt says:

    This is nothing more than selfishness hidden behind “spiritual maturity”. While you work on your self, your holiness, and your power, I will go after the unsaved.

  8. Alan Higgins says:

    And why is that Matt? Please explain yourself

  9. vintagegirl says:

    Thank you, Alan, for being a Berean! My sweet, solid little church has now gone the “new revival” route and I have had to seperate. Keep contending for the faith!!!

  10. H.K says:

    The video is no longer available, so I can’t say anything about that “commanding angels” topic even because I have never seen such thing.
    I understand your concern and your points, but I don’t agree with you.
    I understand the self-control fruit as a fruit related to emotions. It talks about the ability that every believer should have of controlling their emotions (and actions inspired by those emotions) but it doesn’t say that you should not express them.
    Because you have self-control, you can rely on God and let Him touch you. People shaking, falling down, crying, laughing are just some of the many signs of God’s touch. You don’t have to fall down to be touched by God, but sometimes you fall down when you’re been touched. The problem is when you start to limitate God’s way of moving to the ones that you accept and the ones that doesn’t expose you. Shaking and falling down should not be anyone’s focus. When its happening to you, you understand that which is happening, and you get yourself ready for what God will tell you in His own way. Is just a sign of a greater thing.
    I realise that sometimes people act according to their flesh, but God doesn’t want us to judge anyone. Let’s just pray for them.
    Always seek for God’s revelation about every subject in your life.

    • Alan Higgins says:

      And do you have any scriptural proof that ‘shaking, falling down, crying, laughing are just some of the many signs of God’s touch’?

      • H.K says:

        I can think of those right now:

        II Chronicles 5: 13 – It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers [were] as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up [their] voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, [saying], For [he is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever: that [then] the house was filled with a cloud, [even] the house of the LORD;
        14 – So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.

        John 18: 6 – As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground.

        II Samuel 6:14: 14 – And David danced before the LORD with all [his] might; and David [was] girded with a linen ephod.
        15 – So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.

        Psalms 126:2 2 – Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The LORD hath done great things for them.

        Psalms 32:11 11 – Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all [ye that are] upright in heart.

  11. Alan Higgins says:

    All of those scriptures are good but are no way representative of the stuff that we see today in some churches like the video below for example

    All scriptures should be quoted in context and NONE of them above can justify the above

    • H.K says:

      Yes they do. I believe that in that service, there were all kinds of people: The ones that were acting according to their own flesh, the ones that were laughing because they saw other people doing it and thought it was funny, the ones that didn’t feel like laughing at all, and the ones that were so filled with joy and the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:52) and were expressing that joy through laughter.
      There are many ways of expressing the continuous joy (which is, by the way, a fruit of the Spirit). You can laugh, you can dance, you can sing, you can shout and none of them is wrong. You see that in the verses above.
      I agree that we must understand the context of the Scriptures, but we should maintain the context of all things as well. I wasn’t in that service, but I doubt that the preacher was preaching about something else than this manifestations. It would be a very hypocrite attitude to preach about joy when you don’t have that joy flooding out of you, for instance. Those people were not laughing in a disrespectful way, because that was the time to laugh(Ecclesiastes 3:4).
      Again, try not to judge people. Pray and ask God to show what he has for you. Don’t forget to be open to his answers.

  12. vintagegirl says:

    I’m with you, Alan! In my 24 years as a Christian when I have read these Scriptures I have never once imagined them to be acted out in the manner we see today. And just what kind of an impression to you think these “manifestations” would represent to non-believers? Most likey send them screaming from the building! There is no edification, no maturity, no authentic joy and worship that we see in these acts. As far as I’m concerned, God’s not weird and He doesn’t make people weird. And as far as not judging others, then I suppose anyything goes. It’s all relative, even in our “Christianity”. My goodness, there are people being tortured and killed for their faith and we’re told not to judge acts such as these? Disgusting.

    • H.K says:

      Yes, you are told no to judge. God tells you not judge. Weren’t you deffending the bible? People are getting killed for their faith by people who can not accept and tolerate other’s faith, just like you’re doing. And I am sure that you can find edification in every manifestation of the Holy Spirit if you want too. Some peple doesn’t seek for edification and seek for “feedin their flesh”, but I won’t judge them. It’s their loss. It is not our job to judge people. And believe me: If you’re seeking to live a Christian life that looks good to non believers eyes, you’re in the wrong direction.
      “For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.” (Galatians 1:10). When Jesus was preaching, when God was moving, a lot of non believers “ran away from the building”. Their opinion should not stop you.

      • s says:

        “Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 1:13

        “Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” 1 Peter 5:8

        “The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.” 1 Peter 4:7

        “…be temperate, dignified, self-controlled…be reverent in…behavior…be self-controlled…to control themselves…as a model of…dignity…sound speech…” (Titus 2:1-8)

        “Therefore, let us not sleep as the rest do, but let us stay alert and sober. Those who sleep go to sleep at night, and those who are drunk get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love and the helmet that is hope for salvation.” (1 Thessalonians 5:6-8)

        Be not deceived (requires judgment (Matt 24:4, Luke 21:8, 2 Thess.2:3;
        Eph.5:6; Colossians 2:8).

        Test spirits (to test requires a pass/fail judgement) (John 4:1)

        Apostle Paul accused the believers at Galatia of being “foolish” and “bewitched” (Gal.2:1), and which caused him to wish that the false teachers would castrate themselves because of their deceptive teaching about circumcision (Gal.5:12).

        Jesus congratulated the church at Ephesus for rooting out false apostles (Rev.2:1-3).

        The Apostle Paul says that he “did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears” about the false teachers who troubled the church at Ephesus both from within and without (Acts 20:28-31).

        John 7:24 Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

        we are told not to judge the hearts of men but we are to judge doctrine.
        remember that one of the gifts of the spirit is discernment.

      • Dano says:

        1 John 4:1
        Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

        If you read the context of Matthew chapter 7, you’ll see that we are not to judge unrighteously. We all judge and must judge, but we have to do so in a manner acceptable to God.

  13. vintagegirl says:

    You’re right, DK, in that we shouldn’t be pointing out the spec in our brother’s eye… And I don’t mean to judge but I do believe when we see something happening in the church (and yes, it has happened in my church and I had to leave) that is not in line with Scripture we are called to speak out. As far as trying to live a Christian life that looks good to other believers, we are definitely called to live out an AUTHENTIC Christian walk that would be a witness to non-believers. That’s how I came to Christ. I was put off by those who were Christians in name only but weren’t walking their talk. Then a client who WAS walking his talk intrigued me enough to want to know what he had in his life to make him so different. So I try to conduct myself honestly and ethically in my business, and I try to love the least of these as best I can, to show compassion and empathy to those in pain, and to reflect a hope and a peace and a joy even in daunting circumstances. If we are not trying to live out our Christian walks authentically, then the fruits of the Spirit are utterly pointless. My concern is watching people I care about who love the Lord with all their hearts all of a sudden getting drunk in the spirit and telling me God told them to “act like Telletubbies.” But I sincerely repent if I overstepped my bounds in judging others. Did not mean to do that.

  14. Ken E says:

    HK :
    One of the key passages you quote, when read in context shows :
    _______________________________________________
    V3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

    V4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

    V5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

    V6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
    _______________________________________________

    The people whom Jesus addresses in this scripture are Judas and a band of armed Pharisee guards who had come to arrest Him. It is of extreme significance that they were
    people who’s hearts were -against- Jesus and that when confronted by His glory they fell on their backs….

    It is very clear from scripture that when people who love God are confronted by His glory, their natural response is to fall to their knees or to lie prostate on the ground, face down.

    Is is only the unrighteousness who when ‘slain in the spirit’ or under the influence of a spiritual force -other- than the Spirit of God, fall backwards and\or lie on their backs.

    Please do not construe my comments as criticism or flaunting of Biblical knowledge. I have a great concern that modern pastors\teachers\preachers tell congregations to ‘accept’ new things without being bound by the Scriptures. This is reprehensible coming from men who have a duty to lead by the very Word which is THE light to our paths. ANY and every spiritual experience which cannot be based firmly on the Word of God must be viewed with more than a little suspicion as we knowthat our adversary is going about like roaring lion, seeking who he can devour.

    There are testimonies of people who were deceived into allowing themselves to be ‘opened’ to a NEW “Jesus’, and to extra-biblical ‘revelations’ from ‘Angels’. It is so very significant that these people were seduced by experiences which fed their ‘flesh’ instead of their Spirit, and that all of them confess that this new experience ultimately becomes at it very core, sexual in nature. Their stories of how they battled to walk a path of restoration is heart-wrenching.

    If you have read the Bible, you would know very well that God did not prophecy any great ‘revivals’ in the end times.
    In fact, he warns that the love of many would wax cold, that many would -turn away- from sound doctrine and start following seducing doctrines and doctrines of demons, and that there would ultimately be a great ‘falling away’ of believers in the end times.

    The so-called ‘outpourings’ at Lakeland, Dudley, etc which were birthed by the ‘Toronto blessing’ have PROVED themselves (and their leaders) to be sham, shallow and not of God. Yet these spiritual travesties have the cheek to point to the few who went there, TRULY seeking the God of Creation, and who met with Him according to His grace and love and who have endured and grown, as being the fruits of -their- movements. God truly does see our hearts and can discern every thought and motive, and I know that He says He WILL be found by those who seek Him with all their hearts.

    In closing, please allow the indwelling Holy Spirit to be your guide. If something does ‘not witness with your Spirit’, please be sensitive to His guidance for He truly wants to protect you from all forms of deception. TEST the Spirits, if they be from God, and do not be afraid to question EVERYTHING ! That is why God gave us His word and a sound mind.

  15. vintagegirl says:

    Thank you, Ken E, for what you wrote. You are right. I have friends who have come out of this movement (and the restoration process was heart-wrenching, as you say) and I have friends who are still in the movement and the deception and destruction that has taken over their lives is incredible. I watch in disbelief and they willingly trade the THRUTH for all kinds of fleshly lies. It is a very, very slippery slope and anyone who takes this “revival” or “movement” lightly is in danger of being deceived themselves.

  16. Ken E says:

    To all those who would have me believe that II Chronicles 5:13&14 II Samuel 6:14: 14&15 and\or 2 Corinthians 12:3 refers to people who were ‘drunk in the spirit’, please tell me this : why do these writers not (explicitly) state that they felt as though they were ‘drunk’? SURELY they were people who knew well enough to say that they felt as though they were under the influence of alcohol ? But they DON’T ! And Why ?? Simple – because they were UNABLE to explain their experiences. What they felt was OUTSIDE the realm of any human experience they had ever had, and did not have any words with which to describle what they were feeling.

    We ought to let the scriptures interpret themselves where possible. Every scripture which refers to ‘drunkenness’ does so in the context of unrigheousness.

    When a scripture has to be ‘stretched’ to make a point then it is always better to find a more convincing one – and in the case of drunkenness in the Spirit, there simply are none that justify this
    practice.

    Finally – we are created in God’s very own image. Why would He ever want us to act out of control or as if we were drunk ? This is contrary to the very nature of God which is pure Holiness.

  17. 1Timothy says:

    Galatians 5:22-26 lists the fruits of the Spirit, one of which is self-control (the exact opposite of drunkeness) Back up to verses 19-21 and you get a list of the acts of the sinful nature (in other words; the FRUIT OF SIN) You will find drunkenness listed as one of the acts of sin.
    If you want to argue with God’s word then go right ahead. I’m always amazed at how many “Christians” don’t let the Bible get in the way of what they believe.

  18. Bible Study says:

    I would feel safe saying they were sober on the “new” wine of grace, not the old wine wherein is excess.

  19. Emily says:

    I have watched this manifestations grow from tongues, to holy laughter to rolling on the ground. I thought of verses in scripture which says we should do this and the only verse I could remember is when Jesus rebuked such behavior from people for it was familiar, unfamiliar or just plain a satan himself. So I choose not to join in such radical behavior with out the pure anointing of the Holy Spirit, who is a gentle Spirit. We are to edify the body of Christ and not of ones self. We have are falling away from truth. In Scriptures it says that in the end time fire will come down from heaven. That will be God’s judgement.

  20. Ken E says:

    Isaiah 29:9 speaks of God’s people who ‘were drunk, but not with wine’ !
    My study Bible comments that God allowed a ‘drunken stupor’ to come upon these people …. because they had rejected His Word !

    How incredibly signficant that the result of rejecting God’s Word should have this effect on people ! Equally significant is the exhortation of the leaders (read pastors) of these churches to ‘leave behind the old things, move away from religiosity, stop criticising this new thing that God is doing by quoting outdated Bible texts ‘ !

    One thing I am sure of : God’s word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path.
    Without the illumination of His Word to fidcern the traps of satan, we are sure to stumble and fall.

  21. Peggy says:

    When the Bible tells us not to judge, the Lord means not to judge eternally, or in other words, not to decide what another deserves. He definitely DOES tell us to be discerning, to judge what is Scriptural, or from God, and what is not.

  22. Chaddius says:

    Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty! So feel free to laugh, shake and bake, dance. It’s sad to see other people focused on other people’s quirks or what not’s than on “our Daddy!” We are all Sons of God and only requirement for heaven is belief (faith) in Jesus! End of discussion! I pray we all come to the revelation God is happy however nerdy we may be. And thrilled at the freedom to worship in spirit and truth. If you can’t recognize spiritual freedom then maybe you should ask for it. The letter (Holy Bible) kills w-out Holy Spirit. Ask the Pharisees. Get over your opinions and renew your mind. If you call criticizing discernment and mainly see flaws then your discernment is counterfeit. I believe we are destined for greatness and my prayer is that we love unconditionally. We will be known by our love. Be blessed because He believes we are worth it! That is all!

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