John MacArthur has come out with all guns blazing in the article below. The sad thing is that some of the same people who ‘agree’ with this are the same ones who will be saying amen after their sermons. This is because they have been so indoctrinated that they dont even realise that they are deceived and swallow every wind of doctrine that comes their way without searching the scriptures first like the Bereans (Acts 17:11). Even in the UK, we have many churches which are also following this deceitful pattern, yet they are the most popular churches that are polluting the pews every week and have TV ministries that are polluting the airwaves.

John MacArthur

Creflo DollarI don’t watch much television, and when I do I generally avoid the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). For many years TBN has been dominated by faith-healers, full-time fund-raisers, and self-proclaimed prophets spewing heresy. I wrote about the false gospel they proclaim and the phony miracles they pretend to do almost two decades ago in Charismatic Chaos (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992. See especially chapter 12). I had my fill of charismatic televangelism while researching that book, and I can hardly bear to watch it any more.

Recently, however, while recovering from knee-replacement surgery, I decided to sample some of the current fare on TBN. From a therapeutic point of view it seemed a good choice: something more excruciating than the pain in my leg might distract me from the physical suffering of post-surgical trauma. And I suppose on that basis the strategy was effective.

But it left me outraged and frustrated—and eager to challenge the misperceptions in the minds of millions of unbelievers who see these false teachers masquerading as ministers of Christ on TBN.

I’m outraged at the brazen way so many false teachers twist the message of Scripture in Jesus’ name. And I’m frustrated because I’m certain that if these charlatans were not receiving a large proportion of their financial support from sincere believers (and silent acquiescence from Christian leaders who surely know better), they would have no platform for their shenanigans. They would soon lose their core constituency and fade from the scene.

Paul and Jan CrouchInstead, religious quacks are actually multiplying at a frightening pace. One thing I discovered to my immense displeasure is that TBN is by no means the only religious network broadcasting poisonous false doctrine around the clock. The channel lineup I receive includes at least seven other channels whose schedules are filled with false teachers and charlatans. There’s The Church Channel, Daystar, GodTV, World Harvest Television (LeSEA), Total Christian Television, and several others. Some of them feature blocs of family television programing and a few fairly sound teachers who provide moments of escape from the prosperity preachers. But all of them give prominence to enormous amounts of heresy and religious claptrap—enough to make them positively dangerous. And TBN is singularly responsible for kicking that door open so wide.

The continued growth and influence of TBN is baffling for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the thick aura of lust, greed, and other kinds of moral impropriety that surrounds the whole enterprise. A long string of scandals involving notable charismatic televangelists between 1988 and 1992 should have been sufficient reason for even the most credulous viewers to scrutinize the entire industry with skepticism. First came the international spectacle of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker’s moral, marital, and financial collapse. That was followed closely by the revelation of Jimmy Swaggart’s repeated dalliances with prostitutes. Shortly afterward, an episode of ABC’s Primetime Live exposed clear examples of deliberate fraud on the part of three more leading charismatic televangelists. Those incidents were punctuated by a score of lesser scandals over several years’ time. It is clear (or should be)—based on empirical evidence alone—that preachers promising miracles in exchange for money are not to be trusted. And for anyone who simply bothers to compare Jesus’ teaching with the health-and-wealth message, it is clear that the message that currently dominates religious television is “a different gospel; which is really not another” (Galatians 1:6-7), but a damnable lie.

Benny HinnTBN is by far the leading perpetrator of that lie worldwide. Virtually all the network’s main celebrities tell listeners that God will give them healing, wealth, and other material blessings in return for their money. On program after program people are urged to “plant a seed” by sending “the largest bill you have or the biggest check you can write” with the promise that God will miraculously make them rich in return. That same message dominates all of TBN’s major fundraising drives. It’s known as the “seed faith” plan, so-called by Oral Roberts, who set the pattern for most of the charismatic televangelists who have followed the trail he blazed. Paul Crouch, founder, chairman, and commander-in-chief of TBN, is one of the doctrine’s staunchest defenders.

The only people who actually get rich by this scheme, of course, are the televangelists. Their people who send money get little in return but phony promises—and as a result, many of them turn away from the truth completely.

If the scheme seems reminiscent of Tetzel, that’s because it is precisely the same doctrine. (Tetzel was a medieval monk whose high-pressure selling of indulgences—phony promises of forgiveness—outraged Martin Luther and touched off the Protestant Reformation.)

Like Tetzel, TBN preys on the poor and plies them with false promises. Yet what is happening daily on TBN is many times worse than the abuses that Luther decried because it is more widespread and more flagrant. The medium is more high-tech and the amounts bilked out of viewers’ pockets are astronomically higher. (By most estimates, TBN is worth more than a billion dollars and rakes in $200 million annually. Those are direct contributions to the network, not counting millions more in donations sent directly to TBN broadcasters.) Like Tetzel on steroids, the Crouches and virtually all the key broadcasters on TBN live in garish opulence, while constantly begging their needy viewers for more money. Elderly, poor, and working-class viewers constitute TBN’s primary demographic. And TBN’s fundraisers all know that. The most desperate people—”unemployed,” “even though I’m in between jobs,” “trying to make it; trying to survive,” “broke”—are baited with false promises to give what they do not even have. Jan Crouch addresses viewers as “you little people,” and suggests that they send their grocery money to TBN “to assure God’s blessing.”

Thus TBN devours the poor while making the charlatans rich. God cursed false prophets in the Old Testament for that very thing (Jeremiah 6:13-15). It’s also one of the main reasons the Pharisees incurred Jesus’ condemnation (Luke 20:46-47). It’s hard to think of any sin more evil. It not only hurts people materially; it deludes them with groundless hope, deceives them with a false gospel, and thereby places their souls in eternal peril. And yet those who do it pretend they are doing the work of God.

That’s not all. Almost no false prophecy, erroneous doctrine, rank superstition, or silly claim is too outlandish to receive airtime on TBN. Jan Crouch tearfully gives a fanciful account of how her pet chicken was miraculously raised from the dead. Benny Hinn trumps that claim with a bizarre prophecy that if TBN viewers will put their dead loved ones’ caskets in front of television set and touch the dead person’s hand to the screen, people will “be raised from the dead . . . by the thousands.”
Bishop T. D. Jakes
Ironically, one doesn’t even need to be an orthodox Trinitarian in order to broadcast on the Trinity network. Bishop T. D. Jakes, well known for his rejection of the Nicene creed in favor of oneness Pentecostalism, is a staple on TBN. Benny Hinn has repeatedly attempted to revise the doctrine of the Trinity in novel ways, notoriously teaching at one point that there are nine persons in the godhead.

And yet evangelical church leaders typically show a kind of benign tolerance toward the whole enterprise. Most would never endorse it, of course. They may joke about the gaudiness of the big hair and tawdry set decorations on TBN. Ask them, and they will most likely acknowledge that the prosperity gospel is no gospel at all. Press the issue, and you will probably get them to admit that it is a dangerous form of false doctrine, totally unbiblical, and essentially anti-Christian.

Why, then, is there no large-scale effort among Bible-believing evangelicals to expose, denounce, refute, and silence these false teachers? After all, that is what Scripture commands church leaders to do when we encounter purveyors of soul-destroying substitutes for the true gospel:

The overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain (Titus 1:7-11).

Paul Crouch, Jr.Those who remain silent in the face of such grotesque lies may in fact be partly responsible for turning people away from the truth. Consider the testimony of William Lobdell, religion reporter for the Los Angeles Times, who once considered himself a devout evangelical Christian, but after doing a series of investigative reports on the moral and doctrinal cesspool at TBN; then “finding that his investigative stories about faith healer Benny Hinn and televangelists Jan and Paul Crouch appear to make no difference on the reach of these ministries or the lives of their followers, he [gave] up on the beat and on religion generally.”

All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and opposing these lies that masquerade as truth. If we fail in that duty because of indifference, apathy, or a craving for the approval of men, we are no less guilty than those who actively spread the lies.

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Comments
  1. Jason says:

    I posted on the same article today. That the prosperity gospel is being perpetrated on the church is a travesty.

  2. It is amazing that God does not send fire from heaven to destroy these false prophets! But their day is coming. What is most sad is that people are packing in to see these heretics completely twist and blaspheme the truth of Jesus Christ. Desperate people fueled by the enemy hope to get some prayer answered through these vile self-proclaimed “annointed” preachers. Do they not understand that there is only ONE Mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ? How sad.

    I would like to see investigated that one television evangelist, Peter Popoff ?, He has “miracle water” to give out from the Dead Sea (?) that will heal bodies, cure money and marriage problems, etc. How does this man sleep at night?????

  3. Jason says:

    Marianne: He was investigated back in the 80s (I think). A Google search will probably give you the details. I don’t know of many who are bigger charlatans than Popoff. Anyone who falls for “miracle water” is to be pitied indeed.

  4. Shania says:

    My fam & I watch TBN & I’m the only one(NOTE: I am only 12 years old) who has read this. I find myself getting confused @ the aligations(not saying that what you’re what you’re saying isn’t true)you make @ TBN. The reason why I am so confused is because my mom can detect phonyness(if that’s a word)in a hot minute! And thus I will apose(if I spelled that wrong can someone let me know?)with a question. Were did you get all of this information? I am slowly becoming a christion and the LAST thing I need is confusion on a matter such as this. You seem like a nice guy but I just don’t know if I can believe you on this.

  5. Alan Higgins says:

    Shania, my first question would be what does your mum use to ‘detect phonyness’?

    The infornation is not secret information. You only have to watch things such as the Praise a thons amongst other things to know that this is true. It is self evident

  6. j.d. stegall says:

    good stuff here. i agree these are some true sharlatons(think i miss spelled that but thats ok) i like how you called these clowns out. i cant stand a false teacher that brings to the world a new gospel. i believe in calling them out also.

  7. Henry says:

    Hi Alan,

    I also hail from the UK and have been reading your blog for a little while but this has been my first time posting. Just let me say that you are doing a great work here. I myself started a little blog on discernment although it isn’t well-developed yet but I strongly believe that we need more people declaring the truth about TV stations such as TBN and false ministers and false gospels wherever they abound.

    More specifically I wanted to touch on what young Shania said. The problem she is having believing you is the problem with most people in these churches/ministries who listen to these false ministers and are unable to discern the truth. Notice that she qualifies her position by saying that her mom who also watches TBN can detect “phonyness”. This is therefore the reason why many like her gets a bit confused and the result is they reject the truth because they have confidence in someone else who they know and trust and who they believe could not possibly be a believer in false doctrine.

    But Shania if you are reading this I just want to point out to you that Jesus said that many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many. He says that if it were possible these would have deceived even the very elect (see Matt 24)- so this is how “good” they are at carrying out their deception. The thing to do however is to go back to scriptures to see if the claims these ministers on TBN et al make were true. This is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11 to test whether the preachings of Paul were true. Although Paul was an anointed minister of God the Bereans did not take his word for it but they studied the scriptures daily to see if what he said was founded in scripture and Paul turned around and called them more noble than those at Thessalonica for their attitude.

    One thing we must not do is to think that if the majority of people think the message from this minister or that is right then it must be right. Hence the reason many might come on this blog or another and question why this lone voice (Alan in this case) is making so much noise contrary to what these famous ministers and their congregations believe. No doubt that when these ministers are preaching in the pulpit on TBN etc there are many in the congregations that will be waving their arms shouting alleluiahs and amens, and “looking all spiritual” but it does not mean that their doctrine is true. It is therefore not about majority view but what does scripture actually say.

    Jesus said that narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be that find it but broad is the way that leads to destruction and MANY there be that fall therein. Immediately aftere this saying Jesus said, beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep’s clothing because inwardly they are ravening wolves (Matt 7:13-16). I believe Jesus was making a point here that the false prophets help to pave the broad road that leads to destruction. Don’t be surprised then if sometimes you find yourself in a room full of church people and you are the only one who seem to think there is a problem with the speaker’s message or even with the atmosphere in the place.

    Do not reject Alan’s message (or others professing truth) because you have confidence in someone else but compare the messages against scriptures and see if they fall in line with the Word of God or not. Not because an individual stands in the pulpit and claims to be annointed means that he or she is. The Bible tells us that it is not a difficult thing for Satan and his angels to transform themselves into angels of light and ministers of righteousness (2 Cor 11:14-15). The implication here should be clear to anyone then that these angels of Satan who purport to be ministers of righteousness will be found in the pulpit but unless one is able to discern they will not know that these ministers were not of God. In just the same way that people look up to people on TBN etc as great men and women of God, so too people looked up to Simon Magus (a magician) in Acts 8:9-13 and they called him the “Great Power of God” but we see that he was actually a false prophet who had blinded the eyes of the people of Samaria with his magic. Do not allow your eyes to be blinded by false ministers on so-called Christian TV but exercise discernment.

    I hope my little contribution here will encourage someone, Shania or others, to look for the strait or narrow gate and don’t be deceived by the broad road.

  8. Alan Higgins says:

    Henry, thankyou for your contribution. You have covered all areas. Please let me know what your blog website is when you get a chance.

    Thanks again

  9. Henry says:

    Hi Alan,

    My blog address is http://spiritofdiscernment.wordpress.com/

    Thanks for requesting it. I mostly used to write on the blogs/forums of others until I decided to set up my own blog. I do not have any traffic though and I guess this is because I have resisted the temptation to post the link on others’ websites. But please do let me know what you think about it as I believe it is good to have some sort of accountability to others in the Church.

  10. joshua kent says:

    I share the same news that you do my brother, and that it is my duty to expose this filth and garbage for what it is. Creflo, Hinn, Osteen and the like are all apostates and fill the ears of the simple with empty words and empty phrases.
    I have done brief posts on dollar and osteen.

    http://battleblog.proverbs13thirteen.com

    What is the best is that each one claims that their ministry is enabled by God through the people that support it for one. I mean how much money did it cost to start the building of Earth? why does God need my money to do His business? The best question I can ask is if I can name it and claim it in Faith and our tounges have the power to create as God’s does (AS TOLD BY CREFLO DOLLAR) then why do they [false teachers] need my money to partner with them? I mean if they send a message that I can speak powerful things in faith and that it will come to pass, why can’t they let me partner with them on that principal alone? Is it not enough that I will pray for their ministry and “by the faith seed concept” pray for THEIR prosperity?

    Seems one sided to me. How about you? What if we were to ask them {Creflo Dollar, Osteen and the like} to give away all their money and by faith ask GOD to enable them to witness the gosple, and not depend on MAN to finance it, what do you think they would say or do.

    I believe that they are demons in the pulpit and they need to be silenced and that when God judges them, and HE WILL, they will be the one’s mention by Jesus.

    “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ” Matthew 7:23

    and that the bible speaks plainly about these moles in the Church.

    “For among my people are found wicked [men]: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. As a cage is full of birds, so [are] their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. ” Jeremiah 5:26-28

    I pray for them, but they need to be exposed as I am attempting to do on my site as well. Fell free all to drop in and leave coments as well. Praise the Lord, and Have a great day.

    theBIBLCIALdude

  11. j.d. stegall says:

    this is all true. i agree with all of this and may the LORD keep you strong and in his grace to continue exposing these lies. the bible especially talks about these false teachers among the saints of God in the book of Jude. they actually sat down at their tables, infiltrating the truth of Gods Word.

  12. Michael says:

    The trinity is definitely holy. Holy does not mean good. It means crap. Jesus Christ is the worst evil and you’ll never find a scripture that says that he’s a good person. Ever. The father, the sun/son, and the holy spirit, are all garbage. Keeping the sabath holy means that you should be mocking the lord on Sundays.

    *Archangel Michael*
    *The AntiChrist*

    I sincerely hope that *I am* the only Angel of the Lord

    God Bless You

  13. jd says:

    just wondering what kind of blasphemer are you? the bible clerly says God is good and if you know anything about interpreting scriptures which, you unfortunately dont, you would know that over and over Jesus claims to be God directly and indirectly. so actually that would make you a liar and a blasphemer, with all do respect. before you open your mouth and slander the scriptures and the LORD, you need to study, but even before that you need to open your heart to the one who died for you and loves you with a passion you could never understand. repent! and call on the one and only true living God who is Jesus, and he will walk out of the pages of scriptures and change your life and give you the plan of life you have always desired but could never find.

    • Michael says:

      Yea Jesus claims to be God and that is a rediculously stupid thing to do. Jesus is not God and if you think that he is then the blasphemy is purely from you. You should cry repent and pray, because your going to hell. Jesus gets hung on a cross because he deserves it, and he will again on Decamber 21 2012. I could care less what Jesus claims, and I could care less about your claims for that matter. Find me a scripture that says Jesus is a good person. You wont find one.

  14. Alan Higgins says:

    Michael, do you even care if Jesus is good? If there was scripture which can be explained that jesus was good, would you even change your mind. You have obviously made up a God of your own making which is an idol because it is not the God of the bible. If you want to have a fruitful discussion, thats fair enough, we can agree to disagree, but if you have no intention to learn ordiscuss rationally, please refrain from making comments

    • Michael says:

      Yes. If you find me a scripture that says Jesus is good then I will change my mind. You are just as irrational to me as I am to you Alan. I guarantee you that the God of the bible is not Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is the evil of the bible. You need to start connecting the dots Alan. Churches that preach Jesus is a good person, pretend to drink his blood and eat his body. They pretend to be born again. They ask for money on Sunday, and use that money to support illegal wars that are based on lies. Is that what your God does Alan? IS IT!

      • jd says:

        obviously, my friend, you have been damaged by the church and thats unfortunate. i can feel the venom and your hot breath on my computer sceen as i read your heresies and blasphemies. but that doesnt change the fact of John 1:1-5, colossians 1:15-20, genesis 1:26(Let Us referring to the trinity) and also the scriptures in the book of John where he says “before abraham was, ‘I AM'”. I even wrote about it in one of my blogs at http://www.todaystruthwriter.com/2010/01/08/apologetics-is-jesus-god.html . this was a direct reference, as also the pharisees knew at the time, that he was claiming to be equal and the same as the God that talked to Moses in the burning bush, which they equated with blasphemy and thats why they wanted to KILL him. when Jesus was talking to the young rich man, Jesus said “only God is good.” He wanted to see if he would admit that he was GOD and good! sorry, my friend, remember the scriptures are veiled to those like yourself who say they can see, but unveiled to those like Alan, me and others who acknowledge that JESUS is LORD, understanding that he is the One you will give an account to, Michael , on the Day of Judgement. i pray you will figure it out before it is too late, so please quite torturing the scriptures, come to your senses and call on Jesus because he loves you.

        • Michael says:

          Ok, Jd. Supposedly reading my posts cause you to feel venom and hot breath coming from your computer screen. Either what I say is extremely empowering or it is cramping your elitism. Saying that my writings are blasphemies are like me saying that I don’t care about your blog. I’ll read it though if it makes you happy. Was the God that talked to Moses, Jesus Christ? Yea he was, and that is why they equated it with blasphemy and decided it better to kill him. Burn away that George W. Bush and you will find. Jesus Christ. The burning Bush will not be consumed. Jesus Christ will. You are sorry and you call me your friend, but at the same time I cause venom and hot breath to come from your computer screen. They wanted to kill Jesus Christ because he was a horrible person. He was a Lord and not God. God is everything good and bad, Jesus Christ was just a foolish man, and to think otherwise is the true blasphemy.

          • jd says:

            with all do respect, Mike, you are a heretic, infiltrating the chruch with your false message, destroying souls along the way like in the book of Jude. i pray that those who are allowing thias man to go to their church would cast him out and leave him over to the devil until he repents like Paul did to those in overt sin and spreading false doctrine. please learn exegesis and then you will understand the error of your interpretation of the scriptures. it’s ok, man, there still hope fior you and time for you to repent. hopes and prayers go out to you for a contrite and broken heart, to understand what the cross and Christ actually means to you.

            • Michael says:

              You obviously don’t understand the word due. “with all do respect” The church has infiltrated you with a false message. lolz. you wish to have me cast from church? You really are just like Jesus. I’m not sorry like you have proclaimed to be, so there is no need to assure me that “its ok.” I’ll leave all of the repenting up to you since your Jesus Christ is so sure that it helps. Pretty sure my heart is functioning well enough for me to read your wonderfully accusatory messages, and the cross means that its a great time to hang Jesus Christ. We all know what happens to Jesus. 🙂

  15. Alan Higgins says:

    First of all, there are many scriptures that state that Jesus is good. Check out https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/is-jesus-god/

    And now to the scripture that state that Jesus is good

    Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”

    Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.

    I think this explanation will explain it better:

    “One of the clues comes from the context of the passages – especially in Mark’s account – and another from the Greek inflexions of the words used in the original documents. Earlier in that chapter we are told that this conversation was a part of a scene between Jesus and some Pharisees. The Pharisees were always out to trip Jesus up and on this occasion we are told they were out to ‘test’ him once again (v.1). We are then told that jesus explained the Law to the Pharisees, then, in a house, to his disciples, and then, outside he is tested again, where a rich man calls him ‘good.

    If I was a doctor, but someone didn’t believe me but then asked me a medical question about their health I could ask them – ‘why are you asking me a medical question – only doctors can answer that sort of question’, as if to say, you deny my medical training but you still want medical help. In the same way, the rich man tests Jesus and calls him ‘good’ but jesus, by stating that only God is good, is actually saying to the man – you have called me God and yet you deny my divinity. In a way, Jesus trips up the rich man by playing his own game. In a way, here Jesus is actually claiming to be God, not by actually stating as such, but by doing something even more powerful”

    Now that you have an explantion. Will you change your mind?

    I am not going to say that that there are no hypocrites in church or people who misuse scripture to justify wrongdoings. Yes there are. But if your friend, punched me in my nose, it would be wrong of me to blame you for it. In the same way, dont judge Jesus on the basis of some of his presume followers.

    • Michael says:

      Mark 10:17 (21st Century King James Version)

      17And when He had gone forth onto the road, there came one running, and knelt before Him and asked Him, “Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”

      He calls him good master. In my opinion a master of any sort is not particularly good.

      God is equally good and bad. It is blasphemous to to think otherwise. It would be terrible if the world were all water and equally as terrible if it were all fire.

      Jesus Christ wants you to believe that God is only good so that he may decieve you.

      In fact. a black person punched me in the face once because my friend called him a ni**er. I didn’t know my friend had said that to him at the time, so my foolish instinct was to protect my friend, but really I was to blame for not knowing the truth, and the reason I keep posting Alan is not to prove anyone wrong, but because there is an enormous deception right in front of you and I don’t want you to get burned by it. Jesus Christ wants you to cry and pray and repent. God does not necessarily want you to do those things.

      • jd says:

        wrong-the bible demonstrates itself to be true, b/c it doesnt come from a premisefairy tales, but through eye witnesses carried along by the HOLY SPIRIT. ALL scripture is God breathed and titus 1:2 says it is impossible for God to lie. but not only that, the bible demonstates itself to be true in all areas including science, archeological evidence, prophecy and through your own conscious. manuscripts prove any historical document to be valid-any REPUTABLE SCHOLAR or HISTORIAN will tell you that if you actually decided to study and look with an unbiased heart. well, the bible has more manuscripts that prove that it is accurate and true from the very orignal document from the dead sea scrolls to other antiquities. most books like socrates, plato, etc have anywhere from 50 to 750 manuscripts proving them to be true and accurate. but the bible and the God of it(JESUS)proves himself and his word by providing almost 10,000 manuscripts-more thn any other book in the history of the world. when you start from a false premise like you do from your bias attitude, you miss the very fact that even unsaved people during biblical times wrote about Jesus claimig that all the things he said and did were accurate EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE UNBELIEVERS AND DOUBTERS LIKE YOU-they hated him but they wrote in their own books that testified to all the truths of the bible and Jesus. you see, Mike, if you jump off a building, gravity will take you down whether you believe it or not, fire burns whether you believe it or not and Jesus is God whether you believe it or not-the catch is whether you are going to figure that out in this lifetime or not, the land of opportunity. if you dont you’ll surely figure it out when you “kick the can,” it will be too late, but you will figure it out. one day, i gaurantee you this, every man and woman will bow their knee and say Jesus, yes, YOU ARE LORD, GOD and creator of the universe. Mike, hey, at least you have 2 men (Alan, and me) that were willing to tell you eyeball to eyebeball, knee cap to knee cap(figuratively of course) that you dont have to die and go to hell because Jesus loves you and the only reason why we bother to put this note to the screen in front of you is b/c although we dont know you from Adam, we love you just as Jesus does.

        • Michael says:

          Well if Jesus Christ is a man then it is impossible for him to tell the truth all of the time. So he’s not God. He even says that hes the sun of God. So which one is it. is he God or is he the sun of God? I’m not an unbeliever and there is very little doubt in my mind about who Jesus is. When I “kick the can” then I’ll be born again and that is why I don’t pretend to be born again before i die, because its pure blasphemy. I don’t pretend to drink the blood of Christ or eat the body of Christ either. I also don’t ask for money on Sundays, nope. Jesus Christ does those things. He is your master, now praise him.

          • jd says:

            obviously you dont understand words like theanthropus, and Emmanualle -God with us and the likes. its ok though, i just believe more studying for you with an open heart will change any mans heart condition. since your comments are kind of off the wall, i’ll be withdrawing from this discussion with you personally b/c its unfruitful. i’ve said what i needed to say, the rest is the Holy Spirits job to work on you. i’ll let him do his job and i do solicit everyone elses prayers for Michael as i have also prayed for him b/c you can simply ready what he has said about Jesus and know that that is of the utmost importance. thanks, Mike.

            • Michael says:

              Your right again. I don’t understand words like theanthropus, because the word is actually theanthropos. Thanks for assuring me that “its ok” again, I was really starting to worry. I think the Holy Spirit has given up working on me. I believe in God way too much for the holy spirit to really bother me. Of course you will be withdrawing from this discussion b/c it’s unfruitful. I wish I could give you some of my fruit. It might help you to see a little more clearly. Soliciting other peoples prayers? You must be Jesus Christ. I would urge you not to pray for me or anyone else. Jesus wants you to do blasphemous things like that. God isn’t opinionated, and considers everything to be of equal importance.

              • jd says:

                sorry about the spelling. but leave it up to someone like you to miss the point entirely. open you eyes and your heart, my friend, open both.

    • jd says:

      preach brother, i couldnt have said it any better. praise the LORD!

  16. Alan Higgins says:

    You asked me for a scripture and I have given it you but you still will not bow your knee in surrender to God. so here is a question for you. All the information that you are coming out with, what is it based on? Are you making it up or do you have evidence?

  17. Michael says:

    I do not bow to my knee, but if it makes you happy you can bow to yours. My information is based purely on scripture. I asked you for a scripture that says Jesus Christ is a good person and not a good master. You have failed to provide me with that, and therefore my beliefs remain unchanged. I used to believe that Jesus Christ was a good person, until I really started understanding the holy scriptures. Holy does not mean good. I sincerely hope that you do not continue to believe that your God is a human master. Jesus Christ is a human being and God is everything. There is an enormous difference. These are the end of days and if I did not care about the truth I wouldn’t keep messaging you Alan. I honestly believe that you are a good person so I don’t consider these messages to be a waste of time. I don’t make any money from the word of God, but most pastors do, and that is why you will never hear the truth from any of them. Landlords are lords. Slaves had masters and still do. Presidents are lords. Bosses are lords. None of those people are my God and neither is Lord Jesus Christ.

  18. Michael says:

    TBN loves the same Jesus Christ as you do. So how exactly are you opposing TBN? Think.

  19. jd says:

    ok, i’ll respond to one more of your silly comments and thats it. of course, TBN, as a whole follows some other false Jesus. the act as if he is nothing more than a cosmic bell hop, “name it and claim it”, “i’m gonna get mine” and etc. they trample his holy name underfoot by treating him like nothing more than a sugar daddy. on tbn, they have more heretics per hour than a bar has drunks. lots of them believe just like you, that he was just a man, and they attribute all kinds of lies, false teachings and of course, the main one: the false gospel of prosperity as if that can get you saved and eternal life. not only does tbn put false prophets and preachers in front of the world, but the leader, paul crouch continually distorts and tortures the scriptures like you do(hey, small world, huh.)not only that but he was found out to have had homosexual relations with another man who came forward back in the 90’s-google it. so thats my view of tbn-they are nothing more than a bunch of charaltans like again in the book of Jude. most discerning christian who rightly divide the word of truth are able to see that tbn, for the most part, is nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing. boom-shocka-locka-you didnt know i was comin’ atcha like that. gooood dayyyyy,sir.

    • Michael says:

      “boom-shocka-locka-you didnt know i was comin’ atcha like that.”
      Now you really sound like Jesus, with a little Ronald McDonald sprinkled into your mix. So you denounce TBN because they are closet homosexuals. Jesus Christ is a homosexual and a mass murderer. Even though I dispise Jesus Christ you say that my beliefs are similar to those of Paul Crouch. I don’t know Paul Crouch but according to you we distort and torture the scriptures. The scriptures sometimes torture me, but torturing them seems a waste of time, plus I like my bible and my computer. I would rather be a wolf than a sheep and since I am in sheeps clothing you won’t even know I’m coming at you until after you’re being eaten. good day sir.

  20. Alan Higgins says:

    Everybody, as it has been stated earlier, this is a fruitless discussion. Michael has asked for scripture that Jesus is good and I have supplied a link (https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/is-jesus-god/) which has over 180 verses that prove that Jesus is God which Michael has conveniently chosen to ignore.

    As a result, I have decided to close comments on this thread.

    Michael, you have yourself said that you despise Jesus. At least you were honest. You have no desire for biblical truth but you have made up your own truth and your own god. If you want to blaspheme my God, please do it elsewhere and I would appreciate if you refrain with commenting on my blog. Here are some links for you to ponder on

    http://needgod.com
    http://readthisbeforeyoudie.com
    https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/a-message-to-non-christians/