Back in 2009, it was revealed that the former home secretary here in the UK, Jacqui Smith had claimed expenses for pornographic films that her husband had watched.  As a result Mrs Smith  resigned from her position because of the damage it would have to the Labour Party if she remained in office.

On 20 April 2010, an explosion occurred on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig, operated by BP. Eleven people were killed in the blast and oil began to leak from the ocean floor at a rate variously estimated to be between 5,000 and 100,000 barrels per day. As a result, chief executive, Tony Hayward eventually resigned from his post as he knew that with all the bad press, it would not be good for him to continue in his role because it would add to the damage of BP’s already bad reputation.

Does that mean that Jacqui Smith they should never ever work for the Labour Party again in any shape or form or that  Tony Haywards should never work in BP again? No it doesn’t mean that at all but it does mean that they should not be in a prominent leadership role because the name of the Labour Party or BP will be at stake.

The world can see the sense in the decision to step down for the greater good of a political party or a company’s name. However, when it comes to christianity and some pastors, the name of Christ is not precious enough for them to take a back seat because they seem to have their own agenda and feel that, for whatever reason, they must come back up to the front and carry on as normal.  So we have examples of the divorces of  Juanita Bynum and Thomas weeks, Paula and Randy WhiteBenny and Suzanne Hinn, all with no biblical basis and some of those mentioned being divorced twice. Then we have the more serious controversies such as Ted Haggard having a sexual encounter with Mike Jones and receiving drugs from him and Pastor Goodman back in 2004 who “was jailed for three and a half years for sex attacks on a woman worshipper. He was also jailed for perverting the course of justice and an attempted sex assault on a 19-year-old woman. He had been accused of preying on four women at the Victory Christian Centre”. However he is back in the pulpit at the now Victory 2 Victory Christan Church. I hope that Pastor Albert Odulele doesn’t hope to go back into the pulpit in a few years time. John Macarthur says this about the problem:

It has always saddened me over the years as I’ve watched church leaders bring a reproach on the church of Jesus Christ. What’s shocking to me is how frequently Christian leaders sin grossly, then step back into leadership almost as soon as the publicity dies away.

Some time ago I received a CD that disturbed me greatly. It was a recording of the recommissioning service of a pastor who had made national news by confessing to an adulterous affair. After little more than a year of “counseling and rehabilitation,” this man was returning to public ministry with his church’s blessing.

That is happening everywhere. Restoration teams–equipped with manuals to instruct the church on how to reinstate their fallen pastor–wait like tow-truck drivers on the side of the highway, anticipating the next leadership “accident”. Our church has received inquiries wondering if we have written guidelines or a workbook to help restore fallen pastors to leadership. Many no doubt expect that a church the size of ours would have a systematic rehabilitation program for sinning leaders.

Gross sin among Christian leaders is a signal that something is seriously wrong with the church. But an even greater problem is the lowering of standards to accommodate a leader’s sin. That the church is so eager to bring these men back into leadership is a symptom of rottenness at the core.

Some have claimed that a leader’s failure makes him more effective in shepherding fallen people. That is ludicrous. Should we drag the bottom of sin’s cesspool for the most heinous sinners to lead the church? Are they better able to understand the sinner? Certainly not! Our pattern for ministry is the sinless Son of God. The church is to be like Him and her leaders are to be our models of Christlikeness.

We must recognize that leadership in the church cannot be regarded lightly. The foremost requirement of a church leader is that he be above reproach (1 Timothy 3:2, 10; Titus 1:7). That is a difficult prerequisite, and not everyone can meet it.

There are some sins that irreparably shatter a man’s reputation and disqualify him from a ministry of leadership forever. Even Paul, man of God that he was, said he feared such a possibility. In 1 Corinthians 9:27 he says, “I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.”

When referring to his body, Paul obviously had sexual immorality in view. In 1 Corinthians 6:18 he describes it as a sin against one’s own body–sexual sin is in its own category. Certainly it disqualifies a man from church leadership since he permanently forfeits a blameless reputation as a one-woman man (Proverbs 6:33; 1 Timothy 3:2).

Where did we get the idea that a year’s leave of absence and some counseling can restore integrity to someone who has squandered his reputation and destroyed people’s trust? Certainly not from the Bible. Trust forfeited is not so easily regained. Once purity is sacrificed, the ability to lead by example is lost forever. As my friend Chuck Swindoll once commented when referring to this issue–it takes only one pin to burst a balloon.

What about forgiveness? Shouldn’t we be eager to restore our fallen brethren? To fellowship, yes. But not to leadership. It is not an act of love to return a disqualified man to public ministry; it is an act of disobedience.

By all means we should be forgiving. But we cannot erase the consequences of sin. I am not advocating that we “shoot our wounded.” I’m simply saying that we shouldn’t rush them back to the front lines, and we should not put them in charge of other soldiers. The church should do everything possible to minister to those who have sinned and repented. But that does not include restoring the mantle of leadership to a man who has disqualified himself and forfeited the right to lead. Doing so is unbiblical and lowers the standard God has set.

So why is the contemporary church so eager to be tolerant? I’m certain a major reason is the sin and unbelief that pervade the church. If casual Christians can lower the expectations on their leadership, they will be much more comfortable with their own sin. With lower moral standards, the church becomes more tolerant of sin and less tolerant of holiness. The “sinner-friendly” church is intolerable to God–that is a frightening condition.

Conservative Christians have for most of the previous century focused on the battle for doctrinal purity. And that is good. But we are losing the battle for moral purity. Some of the worst defeats have occurred among our more visible leaders. The church cannot lower the standard to accommodate them. We should hold it higher so we can regain purity. If we lose here, we have utterly failed, no matter how orthodox our confession of faith. We can’t win if we compromise the biblical standard of moral purity.

What should you do in the current crisis? Pray for your church’s leaders. Keep them accountable. Encourage them. Let them know you are following their godly example. Understand that they are not perfect, but continue nonetheless to call them to the highest level of godliness and purity. The church must have leaders who are genuinely above reproach. Anything less is an abomination.

  1. Thomas says:

    Please remember that, as far as I know, all the names you’ve listed are independent operators. They are not part of any denomination or other group, so they are accountable to no-one. As I said previously, they’re crooks and conman, simply seeking to get rich by starting a business (except they call it a church). So is it any surprise that they come back as soon as possible after something goes wrong? Their regular behaviour in public, preaching a false gospel of health and wealth, is just as sinful as what they do in their bedrooms.

  2. fragmentz says:

    a very interesting article, going to think on it some more.

    personally, i doubt Odulele will ever be in a position again that requires any saftey checks because he will be on POVA/SOVA and the sex offenders register etc.

    It would be incomprehensible if he was allowed to be in such a position of authority again.

    however, as i have mentioned on the other thread, child abuse in my view is in a league of its own. I do believe restoration can occur, and maybe Jesus can use someone who has perhaps fallen gravely but has been restored and able to use those experience to bring Glory to God. One year on however is not enough time for healing. Maybe the person themselves have healed but what a bout everyone else? the congregations? followers?

    who is to limit God and say he will not use Odulele in the future? As a survivor of abuse myself, i find that an incredible difficult concept, but it is not my place to decide peoples futures. That is Gods.

    I would never expect to see him preaching/church leader-shipping again though. I sincerely hope not.

    But as Thomas said above, with all churches/names/people mentioned, comes their independent status, so who are they accountable to?

    • Alan Higgins says:

      Fragmentz, I agree with you when you say “who is to limit God and say he will not use Odulele in the future”. But like you “I would never expect to see him preaching/church leader-shipping again though. I sincerely hope not.” The latter statement is what I have a problem with and this is exactly what Pastor Douglas Goodman did. He came back to leadership

  3. Thomas says:

    Remember that all these people (including Odulele and Goodman) are corrupt from the start, not because of their sexual sins, but because of their greed. There’s loads more like them leading churches in the UK today, and it brings shame on Jesus. We should be far more concerned about these than the small number who have been discredited.

  4. Ron Jacobs says:

    By some estimates 60% of pastors struggle with pornography. I wonder, does this disqualify them for ministry forever?

    Some well known pastors have admitted to struggles with pornography in the past. Should we force them out?

    Given the prevelance of this scourge on our world today, if we do, will there be anyone left to lead the church?

  5. JohnofAlabama says:

    Well… let’s stop and think….(1) Jesus said not to have ourselves called “teacher / preacher.” Being a pastor does not necessarily have anything to do with leading a congregation. A pastor is a leader. I would think Alan H. perhaps might have the gift of pastoring, because he’s leading, although I don’t know that he’s in an official capacity as such.
    (2) Jesus said for us not to be self-promoting.
    (3) Paul went to great pains to support himself so as not to be mooching. No one could accuse him of that. He also told us to emulate him.
    (4) In the USA, most “churches” are 501(c)3 organizations, which means they are registered non-profit organizations who have, in turn for not paying taxes, agreed not to take political stances… hmm… sounds like the corporate mark of the beast… who said they had to register for anything in the first place? Ah, yes… if you take in more than US$500, you have to report it to the Internal Revenue Service and pay taxes on it… BUT… if you properly understand the notion of tithing and charity, no one needs of necessity give that money to the organization, registered or not. That is, one may freely give to the homeless shelter, to a needy family, to missionaries, etc… That counts and it is far more effective than giving it to a bought-and-sold-but-not-by-Jesus organization which will inevitably blow most of the money on a full-time pastor (read that, person too lazy to get a real job like the rest of us) and buildings that have no charitable purpose (read that, monuments to our own affluence / mausolea to the living dead).

  6. fragmentz says:

    Ron Jacobs: ‘struggling with pornography’, in my humble opinion would not exclude some from ministry. Like you say, if your stats are correct, we’d be 60% less of people pastoring.

    However not all people who struggle with pornography progress on to being child abusers do they??

    • Ron Jacobs says:

      Sexual addictions of any kind eventually progress to more severe forms of acting out. Obviously there are some lines that, once crossed, result in an individual who should probably never be put into the position of crossing them again.

      We like the myth of the perfect leader. We want our preachers to be pristine… white as snow. And we all know that once the snow is soiled it will never be white again.

      So what do our preachers do? They put on a mask of invincibility and hide the shame of their own secret sins lest the flock learn that they are simply earthen vessels.

      Perhaps this was the “heavy load” Jesus spoke of in Matt 23:4. It’s tough being a white washed tomb…

  7. Sean P says:

    The solution is to get back to the Bible, good theology, and putting are trust back in Christ.

    Admittedly, I’ve had problems of my own, but Pastors should be held to higher accountability because they are supposed to be leaders of the church.

  8. fragmentz says:

    i repeat again, having any sexual addiction does not equal child abuse.

    it is not fact that people who have an addiction to say porn, go on to ‘more severe forms of acting out’.

    thats not always true. and its very naive to assume it is.

  9. JohnOfAlabama says:

    In Judaism, there is a law. If a man has any, um, “emissions,” he is to wash himself and his clothes. He remains ‘unclean’ until evening.
    What is the ‘derash’ – the deeper lesson/metaphor?
    If a man on Friday morning has this, um, situation… he would be ritually disallowed to have a part in any Sabbath-welcoming ritual (which would occur BEFORE sundown). He would not be able to help make a kitchen kosher that day.

    What is the point of this? That which is itself unclean cannot be used to make something (someone) else clean. That which is itself dark cannot emit light. That which is unclean until sundown cannot be used ritually without making whatever else it touches unclean.

    A person living a sinful life (whether known by others or not) is ‘unclean’ and is not fit for use in cleaning someone else. Would you use the rag you just cleaned a toilet with to immediately wash your dishes? No! (If you would, please advise me now so I can make excuse to not attend your next dinner party.) If a person is walking in darkness – how they lead another to the light when they themselves can’t find it? If a person is living in sin, he is thus ‘unclean.’ Any church that puts that unclean person in leadership also becomes ‘unclean’ and unusable by God until they repent and clean up their act!

    So, NO… a preacher with, um, self-control issues should NOT be a preacher, let alone a “leader” in a pulpit or leadership position of ANY kind… at least until he gets his act together and then OVER TIME (hence the “unclean until evening” part) proves himself. Then the Church may declare him ‘clean.’

    This is my understanding of the situation. Does that answer the question?
    Does this answer the question?

  10. JohnOfAlabama says:

    Leviticus 15:16-18

    of course, I’m no rabbi… but, what I posted above is my understanding….

  11. Ron Jacobs says:

    Thanks John – I like the way you put that.

    I agree there needs to be an “Until Sunset” time.

  12. JohnOfAlabama says:

    I posted earlier in this thread that we are not to be self-promoting.

    Too many people are claiming calls to “pastor” churches but are living up to the role model.

    But should a “preacher” or “pastor” be held to a higher standard than everyone else? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is ONE law for everyone. (This is Scripture, not my opinion.) That means the same standard applies to everyone. At Sinai, EVERY person there heard the Voice. AND the SAME HOLY Spirit is given to us all. And Jesus said to His followers “Be ye perfect.” He did NOT say, “This one must be perfect, but that one is exempt.”

    If the churchmembers are adulterers and whoremongers, do you really expect that one man will have the strength to pull them up without himself also being pulled down first and more than he can pull them up? It is a lie and a heresy to say that preachers should be held to a higher standard. IF THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN WERE TO LIVE TO THE SAME STANDARD HIMSELF, there would be little to no need for pastors in churches. Because then the Holy Spirit would be in control as He expects to be and should be.

    IF A PREACHER / PASTOR falls, then I would expect that whole church is to be indicted. The Holier the environment, the holier the people, the easier it would be to resist temptation. THAT is why we go to church – NOT to worship God, NOT to hear a preacher or have some dude tell us what the BIble says/what we believe. The more candles lit, the brighter the light, the less the darkness. The more holy people who are gathered, the better the environment – the more conducive it is to holiness. A bunch of unlit candles in a dark room are useless at dispelling the darkness.

    The preacher is NOT the shamesh, the candle to light all other candles… The Shamesh is JESUS. To put him in that position is simply unfair. It makes the rest of the congregation a bunch of hypocrites to hold him to a higher standard than they themselves are willing to live up to. The call to preach the gospel may be a higher calling, but it does NOT make the preacher a higher person. (And too many are calling themselves to preach anyway.) Ever heard the saying, “The ground is level at the cross?” “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”….to paraphrase…

    • Alan Higgins says:

      John, you said “should a “preacher” or “pastor” be held to a higher standard than everyone else?”. The answer is yes. The bible makes it clear that these should be the qualifications in 1 Timothy 3:1-10

      “Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.
      8 In the same way, deacons[b] are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9 They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.”

      For example, if a pastor continually cheats on his wife or steals a lot of money from the church ruining his reputation or is a new convert it does not forfeit him from being a christian BUT according to the above, it does forfeit him from being a pastor and leading a church because the standard IS higher.

  13. JohnOfAlabama says:

    You are GROSSLY incorrect. YOU are held to the SAME standard. YOU do NOT get to live to a LESSER standard simply because you are not called to the pastorate.

    Do not confuse the calling with the office. Some people are not qualified for the office. BUT EVERYONE is REQUIRED to live as though they were.

    YOU are INCORRECT, not having studied your BIBLE. The Bible says there is ONE Law for ALL. The same standard applies to everyone. Whether you are called to pastor a church or to scrub your neighbor’s toilet, YOU AND a persone called to pastor are BOTH EXPECTED by GOD to attain PERFECTION.

    Study your Bible next time before you correct it. IT is not the one that’s wrong.

    • Alan Higgins says:

      John, let me clarify myself as I do not want you to think that I am saying that there are different standards when it comes to holiness and it excuses sin in any way. What I am saying that there is a higher standard in the sense of maturity in the faith

  14. JohnOfAlabama says:

    Those same qualifications you listed for the “office” are the same minimal qualifications to be worthy to scrub a neighbor’s toilet.

    They are the same minimal qualifications for everyone – to do ANYthing in Christ’s name.

    Just as Judah was not to fulfill the office of High Priest, only certain descendants of Levi – the descendants of Aaron – were allowed. BUT all of Israel was to live by the same Torah.

    Many people are not qualified to hold the office of pastorate because they were not virgin when they married, or they’ve since cheated, or they’ve been divorced, or maybe remarried after a divorce or they married someone who was divorced…. BUT they standard to which they are held is no lower, no higher than that for everyone else. Everyone is expected to live worthy of the call (however defined) – “for all are called, but not all are chosen”… not because the standard is different, but because people live differently.

    It is not ‘ok’ for the rest of us to have lived lower than expected as long as the preacher lives as expected. That is a heresy. Even though someone may not be qualified to fill the office because of some breach of behavior in the past, going forward they are still required by God to live as though they were.

    Don’t be confused. Just because someone maybe was virgin when he married a virgin and has been faithful ever since, just because they maybe have never stolen, aren’t greedy or self-promoting, just because they lead their family in a very noteworthy way still does NOT mean that person is called to “the office”, although he might very well meet the minimum qualifications. He might be called to scrub his neighbor’s toilet. (A job and calling no less worthy than that of pastorate. Remember, King Jesus washed people’s dirty feet as an act of love. That’s something slaves did in Jesus’ day – wash people’s feet. “The last shall be first, and the first shall be last.”)

    Let’s suppose a person in the congregation lives or lived a mean life, a base life, they are unqualified for the office of pastorate. They are also unworthy to scrub their neighbor’s toilet. BUT, suppose this precious soul realizes his error, repents, and begins to live a godly life worthy of the greatest honor. His is now living worthy of the CALLING even if still unqualified by his past for the office of pastorate. However, let’s say he gets a job scrubbing toilets. And let’s say with deepest gratitude to Jesus, and full of love, he goes about scrubbing those toilets to the best of his ability. Out of love, he wants his neighbor, coworker, whomever, to be able to sit on a clean toilet, safe from disease and filth. Has he performed some duty “less worthy” than that of “pastor?” No. i tell you, his attitude, his effort, and his love are heralded through the streets of Heaven. And legions of angels congratulate the Lord on the all the honor He has been bestowed by his faithful servant below.

    The same Law applies to all.

    When we start putting preachers up on pedistals, we set them up to fall. When preachers or wanna-be’s are self-promoting, they heap on themselves greater condemnation when they fall – not because GOD applied a different or higher standard to them, but because THEY applied such to themselves, or because the church did so, outside of God’s will. How does this show love to the “preacher” to condemn him but excuse oneself?

    The church must be worthy by the same standards to be useful to God. And the church is made up of individuals. Remember Achan in the book of Joshua (I believe it is)? ONE little person stole something from Jericho and he was NOT a leader. Just a dude in the crowd. But HE caused the WHOLE nation to lose what should have been an easy battle against a tiny little village. Later in the Bible, remember king Saul? He was to have killed king Agag the Amalekite AND killed everything that drew breath in the land of the Amalekites – chidlren, cows, sheep, women, old people, men, dogs… and to have destroyed everything – nothing was to be spared, no wealth taken… the same rule that applied to Achan applied to Saul. They both committed the same sin. Both were found out. Both were condemned. Both were rejected.

    One Law, One Lord (Who IS the Law incarnate), One body (of the Lord), One Spirit, One Baptism, One faith. Hear, O Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD is ONE. Y-h-v-h the Name to Holy to be spoken. Jesus, the Name above EVERY name, the Name to Holy NOT to be spoken.

  15. JohnOfAlabama says:

    No sir, one standard for everyone… Everyone is to be perfect (not “mature” – who defines that?). We are all equally answerable to the Lord. We are ALL to live as though chosen for the office of pastorate. We don’t pick pastors – or WE are not supposed to. God does. We should all be equally usable.

    It creates division to say this person must be more spiritually mature and than another. A Janitorial job is just as holy as a pastoral ‘job’. The fact that we keep putting pastoring and pastors up on pedistals is wrong. Jesus said not to be called rabbi – preacher, teacher, leader. We have ONE and it is Jesus, not Bro. So-and-so…

    When they drew lots to replace Judas iscariot, and when they said to look out men worthy of being deacons… it wasn’t because the offices had higher qualifications. No. It was because the most people were not worthy. Like, going to the dent-and-damage dime store and looking for the least dented/damaged of something or other. Ideally, none of the product should be damaged. Ideally, we are all to be perfect. (And yes, we Can attain that. Jesus said so and so did Paul.) We are without excuse.

    Putting up this or that office as higher than “layperson” is a crock. That’s the excuse of people who aren’t interested in committing to actual obedience, spiritually lazy, hypocritical (holding someone else to a higher standard)… It is wrong.

    Instead of creating a class structure in the church, which is what this does, we should all be worthy. The whole church needs to come up. Because the whole church IS a pastor/priest to the world. Can’t hold up a sea anchor with one children’s helium balloon (one person).

    • Alan Higgins says:

      John you said ‘It creates division to say this person must be more spiritually mature and than another’ but I am not the one who said it. In the scripture that I quoted above, it says ‘He must not be a recent convert’. That sounds pretty clear to me. As a side note, when Jesus said we should be perfect, it doesnt mean that we can attain it, he said it to show that we COULDN’t attain it and thats why we need a savior because we have ALL broken his commandments and will never reacj perfection until we die but I digress and do not want to divert the topic. In no way am I saying that there is a different class, just different roles, I think you may be misunderstanding me as if I am saying that it excuses the layperson to sin

  16. JohnOfAlabama says:

    Alan, I’m sorry for my harsh tone. My speech would seem lacking in grace.

    Go to church 1, they practically worship the offices of pastor and deacon. This is wrong.
    Go to church 2, they have no standards for anyone. This too is wrong.
    Either way, the laypeople seem to be getting away with unholy living. It seems to me as if churches are “electing” a pastor to represent them by putting on a good face for everyone else. God does not operate that way however. This really worries me. And it explains to me why so few churches are successful at making disciples. The preacher is harshly disciplined but the divorced adulterer in the fourth row from the back gets asked to help take up the offering and be in charge of the men’s club. Something is very wrong here. Doesn’t matter if its King Saul who disobeys or if its layperson Achan. The whole Body suffers either way.

    People like to talk about “not being under the law.” In reality, however, what that means, as I understand it, is that God does not want to have to beat us into submission. He wants people to be Law-abiding, Holy and Righteous because they want to be so, out of love and gratitude. The Bible – Old & New testaments – is ONE Word. That Word is Jesus.

    But I would like to ask your forgiveness for my harsh tone.

  17. JohnOfAlabama says:

    Hey Alan,

    I’ve given some thought to this discussion… let it ferment in the back of my mind…

    I’ve arrived at these conclusions…

    1) I’m self-righteous, arrogant and dogmatic, for which I am sorry. I ask the Lord’s forgiveness and yours.

    I don’t know nearly as much as I like to think I know. And you were not as wrong as I accused you of being (Accusing is something satan does. Bro, I was satan to you instead of Jesus. I am waaaaay sorry for that.)

    2) Should a fallen (sexually/morally compromised) pastor be restored to the pulpit? No. Leaders set examples. I was wrong in my earlier analysis. Can he be forgiven? Certainly. Does he still have a place in the Body. Of Course. Can he still serve in some NONleadership capacity? Why not? But should he be restored to the pulpit? No.
    4) Is the calling to preach a high calling? Very.

    Should preachers/pastors be ‘extolled’? Mmm No. That’s just dangerous for everyone.
    Should the pastoring be extolled? Mmm… Probably not, not pastoring in an institutional sense anyway.
    (I’m still really wary of people who claim to be called to preach/pastor. Where I come from, seems like too many people wanna be the chiefs, the big wigs, whatever… I read one time that 99% of all preachers preach to less than 1% of the human race… If this is true, then I ask: Is that 1% so wicked they need 99% of the preachers’ attention? Or is that 99% not obeying in preaching to the other 99% of the human race? I don’t know if either applies. Maybe I’m just negative and falsely accusing. But I’m wary and weary of a lot these days. I really really really want to hear sermons on HOW to live for Jesus, not how to be religious or conservative or liberal, etc. I want to hear HOW to effectively share my faith on the job, at the mall, not that I should simply invite people to church. Where I come from, there is so much political conservatism or liberalism or socialism preached, depending largely on denomination. I’m wary and weary of “church building programs” – oy vey ist mier! Das mashuga! So many homeless and we gotta build a newer bigger sanctuary or fellowship hall! LAODICEA! I’m also weary of the practice of “tongues”. I believe in that gift, but I understand it to be “the supernatural speaking of a language not previously learned by the one speaking to a native speaker of that language for the purpose of evangelization the native speaker.” I’m weary of hearing the lie that Jesus is the “one and only” Son of God. STOP IT. He is Not. He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN. Read Genesis, Job, Luke, Jesus’ own words, etc. God has many sons and daughters, only one of which did He beget in the fless. But an adopted child is still a child. Unless they wanna deny their own relationship to God…and also claim that God denies it too… Anyway….)
    Should preaching be viewed as a high calling? Yes! Extremely high. — BUT every layperson is to be held to the SAME exacting standards as some one who claims he is called to preach.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is this: We need fewer “institutional” preachers – this where the high standard of “no return to the pulpit for the morally compromised” comes in.
    But we who follow Jesus have all had to repent of sins. Can any of us preach to lost souls on the street without being ordained? Absolutely. In fact, we all are commanded to make disciples. But our lives must reflect what we are preaching.

    Maybe we are on the same page? Be at peace, brother. And pray for me, please.

  18. I agree with all this old comments. A wise man once said, All men fall but the great ones rise again.
    The devil is a liar. Cause you people know the Bible so well, King David knew God better than the people you mentioned, How did God deal with his sin with another man’s wife?
    Beloved, we are not qualified to judge the servants of God. If they have sinned, is God who will judge.
    Christians are so good today at crucifying other Christians. If a man of God is struggling, you people can’t even buy bread for that Pastor, but when God blesses him you lament.

    It is shocking how disrespectful some of you are….continued

    • Alan Higgins says:

      Have you looked at the qualifications of being an elder/pastor? By your definition it doesn’t matter what they do . The Bible says something different. Please note that I am NOT saying that we should not bring them to a place of restoration

    • as a parent, if you made a mistake. .. does that disqualifies you to lead your family again? Most of the comments here are so arrogant. And they have no love or wisdom but they are sending someone to hell ahead of his time. Even demons begged Jesus not to send then to hell before time.

      I don’t know of some pastors here, bit did Pastor Goodman assault those ladies?
      If he did, it means you saw it. You are an eye witness.

      I’m against all ungodliness by the way but I’m not called to judge the children of God.
      And we pastors we don’t have a profession but a calling.
      And most of us God Himself has called us to a fulltime ministry.
      If you say we are lazy well unfortunately we work more than the professionals. I fasted for more than 40days taking only liquids. If I worked a secular job how can I do that.
      How can I help people in many villages in Mozambique and work at the same time? Just to mention few things.

      Some of the comments people are posting here are advertising how little they know. It is good to think thoroughly, prayerfully and with respect before one comment on such sensitive issues.

      • Alan Higgins says:

        Simon, did you read the post and more importantly the scriptures ” We must recognize that leadership in the church cannot be regarded lightly. The foremost requirement of a church leader is that he beabove reproach (1 Timothy 3:2, 10;Titus 1:7). That is a difficult prerequisite, and not everyone can meet it.

        There are some sins that irreparably shatter a man’s reputation and disqualify him from a ministry of leadership forever. “. Of course God forgives us but there are consequences to our actions and the scriptures clearly states that if a person is not ‘above reproach’ because of certain sins, they should not be restored to the leadership position that they once held. I have seen pastors who have confessed that they have made sexually (some homosexual) advances on others, give to prison for it, come out of prison and picked up where they left off. That cannot be right. And this is not just my opinion, this is scripture as shown above

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