There has been quite a lot of talk about gay marriages lately on both sides of the pond. First here in the UK, the Prime Minister, David Cameron of the Conservative party plans to legalise same-sex marriage. In his words, he said,

‘We’re consulting on legalising gay marriage. To anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it’s about equality, but it’s also about something else: commitment. ‘Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don’t support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I’m a Conservative.

This is one of the reasons whyI am encouraging UK residents to sign the petition. Maybe its just me but I’m sure this was not part of the Conservative’s manifesto when they campaigned to govern the country.

Then over in America, Kirk cameron caused a big storm with his interview with Piers Morgan. See the video below

After that interview, Kirk got a taster of what Jesus felt and that was to be hated by the world for his views and for standing up for righteousness. To get a taster, I saw this discussion.

The automatic assumption from listening to this is that because the majority of people do not agree with Kirk, that it makes what he said wrong. But as I said in this postthe vast majority of people in this world are NOT christians even if they profess that they are and the vast majority of people are against Christ and they will not be going to heaven

So what can we learn from this?

That if we want to know the definition of something, we cannot argue with the source. If Bill Gates says that an operating system is Windows 7, who am I to tell him that it is not and it is Windows 8? No-one could tell Leonardo da Vinci that the Mona Lisa was actually a picture of his sister. In the same way, God was the one who instituted marriage in the beginning. His definition was from the beginning and is now one man + one woman for life. I did not create marriage and you did not create marriage so none of us have the right to redefine it. Yet man in his arrogance think that we can usurp God’s authority and change the meaning

The bible makes it clear that God’s wrath (not his full wrath) has been revealed which is evident in our world today. How do I know? Romans 1:18,24-28  tells us

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth……….

24 …………..Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Three times it states that God has basically ‘left them to it’ and ‘gave them up’ because of their insistent desire to follow their sinful passions.

As well as ‘aiming for the web’ by signing petitions and trying to change laws, which is not a bad thing in itself, we must endevour to ‘aim for the spider’. At the root cause is man’s sinful heart which can only truly be transformed by the power of the gospel and that is what we as Christians must proclaim from the rooftops. That without Christ, man is hopeless, even in a hetrosexual marriage.

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Comments
  1. It is just amazing how man can pervert the ways of God and demand that he go along with our ways! How awesome that Kirk Cameron stood for the truth and did not back down! People are dying to eternal destruction every second and yet when Christians speak the truth in love, we are labeled intolerant and bigoted! As in the book of Daniel when he saw a future vision of a time when “truth would be thrown to the ground”, I say we are in that time now!

  2. Andy says:

    “Marriage = One Man + One Woman…..For Life. I never made up the rules”

    But that’s exactly what you have done! You’ve made up that rule!

    The Bible isn’t as clear cut on marriage as you would have us believe.

    In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

    In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

    In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

    In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

    In Deuteronomy 21:15 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons….”

    • Alan Higgins says:

      I noticed that you have quoted old testament passages. Just because God allowed it to happen in those days does not mean that that was his original intention. An example of this when God allowed divorce. Jesus said “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so“. (Matthew 19:8) So how was it from the beginning? Jesus tells us:

      Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. (Matthew 19:5,6)

      Also, we are told that those who lead us should be the husband of one wife, not another husband. We can assume that if they are supposed to lead by example, then we should also have the same setup i.e one man and one woman

      I also found this article wich I think is quite balanced http://www.gotquestions.org/polygamy.html

  3. Andy says:

    As you well know, Jesus made it perfectly clear to his followers that the Old Testament law still applies.

    Over the past two weeks several gay teenagers have been stoned to death in Iraq simply for being gay. The Bible supports this, How long will it be before you are linking to petitions to make stoning of gays legal here?

  4. Alan Higgins says:

    Please let me correct you. The old testament law does NOT still apply. Please see https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/what-do-we-do-with-those-old-testament-laws-today and https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/understanding-the-old-and-new-testament/

    So let me make it clear, there is no justification for killing anybody, just because they are gay and that is not the christian view

  5. vintagegirl says:

    As a believer who has a brother who is in the gay lifestyle, I would say to anyone who believes they are being loving or tolerant by accepting this lifestyle in all its shapes and forms is not only deceiving themselves but they are, though maybe well-intentioned, LYING to those who are trapped in the homosexual lifestyle and paving the very road to hell. And as society defiles God’s natural law in favor of one that is their own making, it tragically makes it far more difficult for those like my brother to come to the Lord in repentance for forgiveness and their salvation. I cannot think, as a grieving sister for her brother’s soul, of anything more tragic. So if you are one of those that thinks they are erring on the side of “love” by being accepting, please, I beg you, to think twice!

  6. Henry says:

    Alan,
    There was a time when this country (GB) used to be considered a Christian nation particularly stemming from the Head of State, the reigning monarch, being also the “head” of the church (i.e., the Church of England). But unfortunately this can no longer be said of Great Britain when the laws of the state seeks to redefine Holy Matrimony as being a union between same sexes. Well of course they may say that the church marriage and the civil marriage are not the same things but as you have clearly pointed out it was God who instituted marriage and not man. The truth though is that Britain to a large extent has become an ungodly nation and many of the leaders in high places are gays. This is why they are bringing in these changes. At the moment they are saying they are not forcing churches to marry same sex couples but they are however offering churches an “opportunity” to hold civil marriages (of same sexes) in churches. What abomination! But the time is fast approaching when we will all have to stand up and suffer persecution for Christ sake and be prepared to even go prison when they make it unlawful to speak against homosexuality. The time will come when to preach the gospel of Christ concerning these matters and declare that homosexuality is a sin, will constitute a hate crime. This is what gays are pushing for as I write. May God help us.

  7. Alan Higgins says:

    If gay marriage becomes legal in the UK, it will only be a matter of time before churches are taken to court for discrimination because they refuse to marry gay couples

  8. Larry says:

    Do you believe homosexuality is chosen or biologically predetermined?

    If the latter, how can you possibly say that’s a sin? Just because your historically inaccurate book said so?

    Sigh.

    • Alan Higgins says:

      To answer your question, we were ALL born as sinners ‘biologically’. No matter what that sin is. That’s why we need a saviour. Please see my message to non christians at the top of this page

      • Larry says:

        Just read the message to non-Christians. It’s a load of claims with no evidence, and “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. Your claims aren’t backed up, so they’ll be ignored by me. If you can prove there’s a heaven, hell, God and Jesus as described in the Bible, I’ll happily convert. But the fact is, you can’t.

        Either way, similar claims are made by Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhas. How do you know they’re wrong and you’re right?

        Honestly, from an atheist point of view, it is comparable to scaring people into going to Hell if they don’t believe in unicorns or fairies. That may seem condescending or trivial, but if you think about it, there’s as much evidence for both of those as there is for the Christian God.

        Thanks for your comment about homosexuality. I’m sure we are all born sinners (according to your dogma), however you make it sound like homosexuality is a choice. I have no evidence to back up the idea of homosexuality being predetermined (it’s just from talking with gay people that I have decided they are telling the truth when they all say they were gay since birth), so you might be right, but I doubt it. I’m also seriously worried if you think you can “deconvert” people from being gay. It appears to be a biological thing, not some psychological disorder you can pray out of people.

        I hope you seriously consider some of the stuff I’ve just said. I’ve considered your arguments, but it does scare me – and seems morally wrong to me – that because the book told you being gay was wrong, you believed it and now try to get it out of people. The Catholic Church tried such gay deconversions widespread, but it was a waste of time. It didn’t work.

        I hope I haven’t misunderstood your message. If I have, let me know and I’ll take some of the stuff I’ve said about your own views on homosexuality back.

  9. Alan Higgins says:

    If you want evidence that there is a God (even if you dont believe its the Christian God), see https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/happy-april-fools-day-mr-and-mrs-atheist/ and https://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/is-christianity-true-an-introduction/ and follow the links

    • Larry says:

      Hey, thanks for your response.

      Read it all. You’ve provided arguments for God – no evidence. Which is fine, but just don’t call them “evidence”.

      In fact, if you actually discovered any valid evidence for God, you’d win a nobel prize. Just saying.

  10. Alan Higgins says:

    Creation is evidence of a creator in the same way a building is evidence of a builder and a painting is evidence of a painter

    • Larry says:

      That’s a self-refuting argument. If a creator had to create the universe, then that creator would in turn have had to be created by something.

  11. Alan Higgins says:

    Not at all. This link probably explains it better than myself. http://www.gotquestions.org/who-created-God.html.

    • Larry says:

      That’s also self-refuting. If God “just existed”, why couldn’t the universe have “just existed”?

      I find it FAR more likely that the universe that was always here, and life evolved through a natural process that has evidence, than to believe there was a perfect being who was always there, magicked into existence a very imperfect universe, and then left no evidence of him existing at all.

      Please read that sentence at least five times before you feel the urge to give me another link about some self-refuting argument and claim it to be evidence.

  12. Alan Higgins says:

    There is a scientific law which basically says that disorder does not lead to order but it is the other way round. If I told you that I threw some scrabble letters in the air, and it fell down in a straight line it reading “My name is Larry” you (rightly) wouldn’t believe me. In the same way, if the universe always existed, it would not move to order but disorder. If I threw cycle parts off a building and it fell on the floor and formed a perfect bike, you would find that hard to believe and thats just a bike but when it comes to all of creation with all of its design, you seem to have a mental block and to say that God left no evidence of him existing at all, errr, just take a look outside at the birds, bees, animals, trees, clouds, planets etc etc. Creation IS the evidence but you choose not to believe it. In fact, here is a question, what would God have to do to convince you and even if he did, would you surrender to him?

  13. ashley says:

    God was pretty clear about this in his Holy Scripture. If we are to be Christians we can’t bend the rules.

  14. WallaceDarwin says:

    U can leave BLOWBACK @ WallaceDarwin’s blog(poorly maintained) @ WordPress
    We find our bliss in wrangling over specious overstatements drawn from conclusions mo1 self-serving than theological,but, we have diminishing energy to devote to it .
    As in the campaigns to prohibit liquor-by-the-drink in NC, the “silent” sleeping true majority overcame ZEALOTRY eventually. Today, buSINess in the state is that freemen order what they want, be it sinful or not. Standby for REPEAL of this Prohibition-folly too.
    It will be discovered for the thinly-veiled attempt to manipulate the will of posterity from the grave, to establish a state religion. Theocracy, no matter how well-intentioned, was not a goal of the nation’s “creators”. All who want such may find one in full bloom in Iran, if they wish to attend, like the “AmericanTaliban”(20-yr sentence).
    BonVoyage!

  15. pjc says:

    I really enjoy your website. It is obviously a labor of love. One of the good things about the Christian faith, at least in my opinion, is that our scripture does not contain a lot of theology. Perhaps, this is by accident, Paul might have written thousands of letters that were lost, but we have what we have and the flip side is that what the writers of the New Testament have to say to us, while it appears simple, is often dense and packed with meaning. This should not surprise us because our ability to understand is limited and God’s is not.

    The essential of Christianity can be briefly summarized as follows:
    1) Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
    2) Repent.
    3) Get on with the work of building The Kingdom of God.

    I apologize if this seems overly simplistic but I have to start the discussion somewhere so this is my starting point. OK lets move on. The following verses are from Romans.

    “24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.”

    From reading these verse it is clear that homosexuality is unnatural. So also is disobeying your parents, greed, depravity etc. In this context, what should be the response of a straight Christian to a gay Christian who is lonely and yearns for an intimate relationship? To me, that is the real question here. I think the title to this article is probably not the one that Jesus would give. Jesus was not very big on following rules and I don’t think he ever said “sorry, not my problem.” What do you think?

    • PJC, that was a good question you asked. Let me help clairfy some thing so you will have understanding on this subject. You said that Jesus was not very big on following rules. The truth is that Jesus NEVER broke any of God’s commands. It was the Pharisees and high priests who added to the ten commandments and made them line up with what they believed. Jesus followed his Father’s will and not necessarily what man declared he should follow. But he was sinless.

      You are right, all sin is against a righteour God and separates you from him. That is why anyone who continues to sin as they always have will not get to heaven. Only those who have surrendered to Christ and follow in his way will be with him. When you are saved, you not only have a new relationship to God, you have a new relationship to sin. You grow to hate your sin and see it as something that leads you from the ways of Christ. You are given a new heart. The bible says your heart is wicked. When you surrender to Christ, he takes your heart of stone and gives you a heart of flesh that is willing to obey him. Since your flesh is not saved, but only your soul and spirit, there is always a battle to go back to your old ways. However, the power of Christ who is in every believier is the power to overcome every temptation. Unfortunately, we still sin because we give in to our weakness. But at no point should a saved person accept sin or make excuse for it. That does not happen. Those who continue in their sin, whether it be lying, adultery, drunkeness or homosexuality witll never get to heaven. That is what the bible says. If you are saved and fall into sin, Christ will help you back up and to turn from that sin. If you think is okay to continue in it, you are not saved. You are believing a lie. You may still sin, but a true believer should not be able so sin as he did before he surrendered to Christ. Therefore to say it is okay for the laws of marriage, instituted by God, our Creator, should change to allow same-sex marriage is nothing but an abomination to God. Not only for those who do it, but for those who condone it.

      We are to love all people. We do not have to love their sin.

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